D&D 5E I feel like the surveys gaslit WotC about """"Backwards Compatibility""""

[Scribe]

It won't take long before anything 5, is reprinted and 'fixed' to 5.5, for a small fee of course.

The compatibility argument was just marketing speak when people can grab adventures from prior editions, or feats, or prestige classes, or homebrew, and it works fine because (spoilers) 5/5.5 isn't a tight system anyway.

You all are not playing PF2 or something.

 

[Remathilis]

Probably biff everyone to around B+ power level. They wwnt a lot further.

On paper 5.5 has better class designs. I suspect they've made a bad situation worse though.

We're at level 9 can't see to many DMs want to go much past that.

If you know what your doing whittling down extra hp is easy enough. Casuals might not know though.

I don't think power and compatibility are equal. A Battlerager barbarian or undying warlock was bad in 2014 and they are bad in 24. But you can still use them in 24 if you have your heart set on them. That's not a compatibility issue. To say so is to say Twilight cleric is not compatible with 2014 (it's op, but it's compatible).

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't think power and compatibility are equal. A Battlerager barbarian or undying warlock was bad in 2014 and they are bad in 24. But you can still use them in 24 if you have your heart set on them. That's not a compatibility issue. To say so is to say Twilight cleric is not compatible with 2014 (it's op, but it's compatible).

The claim was without issue.

I dd say several clerics, sorcerer, bladesinger were fine but all the martials, artificer comparatively suck.

3.5 was kinda better for usable stiff but they revised the skills and damage reduction which was annoying.

Various races are fine some spells and feats may cause balance issues as well.

 

[Remathilis]

The claim was without issue.

I dd say several clerics, sorcerer, bladesinger were fine but all the martials, artificer comparatively suck.

3.5 was kinda better for usable stiff but they revised the skills and damage reduction which was annoying.

Various races are fine some spells and feats may cause balance issues as well.

Again, balance issues aren't edition drawn. By the time 3.5 was at an end, the only PHB class I was seeing played was wizard because the complete X books had replaced them. So it doesn't bother me that the 2024 PHB made some options pre-Tasha less exciting because those options made the PHB 14 less exciting. You never achieve both growth and perfect!balance. It's all on the wheel.

 

[Zardnaar]

Again, balance issues aren't edition drawn. By the time 3.5 was at an end, the only PHB class I was seeing played was wizard because the complete X books had replaced them. So it doesn't bother me that the 2024 PHB made some options pre-Tasha less exciting because those options made the PHB 14 less exciting. You never achieve both growth and perfect!balance. It's all on the wheel.

Well it's not really tgat compatible when some fears are completely different for example. Or soelks got rewritten.

Pain if you mix and match. Similar with classes.

It's easier to cherry pick specific things vs using both.

Are you actually playing 5.5?

 

[Remathilis]

Well it's not really tgat compatible when some fears are completely different for example. Or soelks got rewritten.

Pain if you mix and match. Similar with classes.

It's easier to cherry pick specific things vs using both.

Are you actually playing 5.5?

I have two more sessions of my current game before I start. Just waiting for Forge of the Artificer.

So let's take a specific example. The PHB dragonborn was weak. Weakest species in 2014. It's been revised twice: once in Fizban's and once in 2024. The Fizban one already invalidated the PHB dragonborn, despite being "optional" because it was clearly a patch for the fact they missed on the first one. (See also: Tasha's class "options").

By your standard, Fizban's dragonborn would not be compatible with 5e because it essentially makes the phb dragonborn obsolete. No one would pick the PHB version if Fizban is available. It's both power creep (insofar as a bad option is brought up to par with most others) and it renders the older version obsolete (again, you can choose the PHB option, but why?)

I don't think anyone could rationally and in good faith argue Fizban's Guide to Dragon isn't backwards compatible with D&D 2014.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

It won't take long before anything 5, is reprinted and 'fixed' to 5.5, for a small fee of course.

The fix will likely both be free and unannounced "eratta", less pushback that way. I'm sure the 5.5 phb roll out on DDB is far from forgotten by those incharge of implementations like this. It will be easier to do it like they did the market place, than risk a last minute revolt again.

 

[Scribe]

The fix will likely both be free and unannounced "eratta", less pushback that way. I'm sure the 5.5 phb roll out on DDB is far from forgotten by those incharge of implementations like this. It will be easier to do it like they did the market place, than risk a last minute revolt again.

Yeah I'm not on there, have no idea how that all works.

 

[tetrasodium]

Yeah I'm not on there, have no idea how that all works.

I bet it won't be published by wotc. I'm at the point where my tolerance of being unsupported in service of Oberon based solutions is lacking

 

[ECMO3]

That's your subjective opinion.

Objectively power creep in effect has obsolete most of the old clases and archetypes.

It's not unplayable but weak. Every martial class without masteries cone to mind.

As I think I said earlier in this post, if you are mixing old and new you should follow WOTC suggestions and replace anything that is in 2024 with the new version. So the only "old class" you would be using if you did this is artificer as all the others are reprinted. You can use old subclasses with the new classes pretty easily though.

In the game so far I have played or am playing the following:

PC1: Kobold (old) - Whispers (old) Bard (new)/Swashbuckler (old) Rogue (new)/Fey(new), Warlock(new)/Ranger (new) with Shadow Touched feat (new), Magic Initiate Feat (new) with Cloak of Flies (old) and other new invocations. Had old spells including Cause Fear, Booming Blade, Green Flame Blade and Enemies Abound

PC2: Halfling (new) - Fey(new) Warlock(new)/Arcane Trickster (new) Rogue(new)/Bard(new)/Paladin(new) with 2nd Chance feat (old), Magic Initiate Feat (new), Warcaster Feat (new), musician (new) with old spells: Cause Fear, Green Flame Blade, Booming Blade

PC3: Human (new) - Scout (old) Rogue (new)/Drunken (old) Monk (new)/Wizard (new) with Tough feat (new), Grappler feat(new).

PC4: Dragonborn (new) - Fey Wanderer (new) Ranger (new)/Glamour (new) Bard (new)/Monk(new) with Dragonfear Feat (old), Shadow Touched Feat (new)

PC5: Infernal Tiefling (new) - Eldritch Knight (new) Fighter (new)/Warlock (new) with Agonizing Green-Flame Blade (new evocation with old spell), Booming Blade (old), Truestrike (new), Pact of Blade (new), Pact of tome with Shilleleagh (new), Find Familiar (new), Create Bonfire (old), magic initiate feat (new), Flames of Phelethegos feat (old), Warcaster feat (new), Shadow Touched feat (new).

All of those PCs combine old and new pretty seamlessly. The key here though is anything reprinted in 2024 you use the new version. If you are not doing that there are going to be problems.