What We Lose When We Eliminate Controversial Content

[Sepulchrave II]

It's funny that when Beyonce struts her stuff semi nude and suggestively in her music videos she is considered "fierce" and a "strong" woman and standing up for women's rights - but hey a little cleavage in D&D and we lose our minds as everyone reaches for their puritanical pitchforks.

A forceful expression of female sexuality - from a woman - and a pictorial representation of a sexualized woman - by a man - are two rather different things.

 

[ilgatto]

A forceful expression of female sexuality - from a woman - and a pictorial representation of a sexualized woman - by a man - are two rather different things.

That makes me wonder.

What if it's the other way round - i.e., a forceful expression of female sexuality - from a man - and a pictorial representation of a sexualized woman - by a woman?

 

[Sepulchrave II]

That makes me wonder.

You should certainly wonder.

But I think this question implicitly demands the lens of gender identity, and I think that it may be beyond the scope of this thread to constructively analyze.

Suffice it to say that I chose the words from and by with care.

 

[Hussar]

I greatly appreciate the art that Faolyn posted above but I can also appreciate Clyde Caldwell's cover of Azure Bonds.

It's funny that when Beyonce struts her stuff semi nude and suggestively in her music videos she is considered "fierce" and a "strong" woman and standing up for women's rights - but hey a little cleavage in D&D and we lose our minds as everyone reaches for their puritanical pitchforks.

It’s almost like context actually matters.

Huh.

Conversely, when DnD addressed the sexism in the game and the genre, we see a massive growth in the number of women playing. Funny how that works.

 

[ilgatto]

You should certainly wonder.

But I think this question implicitly demands the lens of gender identity, and I think that it may be beyond the scope of this thread to constructively analyze.

Suffice it to say that I chose the words from and by with care.

And that may well be precisely 'the problem' in case of subjects like this. I think of people as people, all equal regardless of gender, race, or whatever. Therefore, in theory and imho, it shouldn't matter by or from who and about whom a specific work of art is.

Having said that, I very well know that all things are not as they should be (imho, etc.) and that much work is to be done.

 

[AnotherGuy]

A forceful expression of female sexuality - from a woman - and a pictorial representation of a sexualized woman - by a man - are two rather different things.

For you maybe. I see hypocrisy.

 

[AnotherGuy]

It’s almost like context actually matters.

Huh.

Yes, the context being that sexy women are appealing, whether it is Beyonce doing the selling or the cleavage of the character Alias drawn by an artist.

Conversely, when DnD addressed the sexism in the game and the genre, we see a massive growth in the number of women playing. Funny how that works.

I'm not of the opinion that their depiction within the art was keeping women out of the hobby.

 

[Bagpuss]

Why do you need erotica in your non-erotic RPGs?

Who says RPG aren't erotic, at least in a very soft-core sort of way. Lots of people enjoy flirtatious and titillating moments in RPGs, along with the dramatic, comical, heroics and the like.

 

[Bagpuss]

A forceful expression of female sexuality - from a woman - and a pictorial representation of a sexualized woman - by a man - are two rather different things.

But if the final image is similar can not the viewer, see what they want to see in it.

A straight man viewing Beyonce sees a sexual woman, a woman seeing a picture seeing like the midriff exposed Pathfinder sorcerers sees a fierce, idealised fantasy heroine.

 

[BrokenTwin]

I'm perfectly content with and appreciate equal-opportunity sexiness in my fantasy art. It's when all the women are sexual fantasies and all the men are power fantasies that I have a problem. Which can get aggravating to talk about when guys talk about shirtless guys and shirtless gals being equivalent like pose and presentation don't affect the piece. And I find a lot of male artists don't really understand how to draw attractive men, just powerful men.