D&D General Kobold Press Going Down a Dark Road

[Maxperson]

how many do you see? hundreds? How many play? millions. Folks going to conventions simply are infinitesimal in any age group

They're numerous enough to be a sample size that polls would use. It's extremely unlikely that the teens that spend money tons of money on games workshop, D&D and all of those other gaming companies choose to avoid conventions.

 

[Micah Sweet]

sure, but at that point it becomes an ‘I do not like the changes’ thing. You have not demonstrated that young / new players like them while old / existing ones do not

I think I can reasonably say that those who don't like the changes mostly fall into an older editions demographic.

 

[mamba]

The links I provided show the myriad of things that teens spend money on. $1440 doesn't even begin to cover the multitude things that they want and spend money on.

repetition does not improve an argument, they refuted it the first time, it is no more convincing the second time

 

[Maxperson]

new players need stuff old players already have, so it is not impossible. By now you are conflating several things though, new and young, old and grognard.

1) Nobody had 5e when it came out.
2) Nobody, young or old has new product when it's released. When Planescape is released out of the 100% of players, 75% of them won't be teens and will have waaaaaaay more spending money to buy it with.
3) New players are old, too. People start playing D&D at ages other than teen.
4) I'm not conflating anything. None of my arguments depend on that sort of thing.

 

[mamba]

I think I can reasonably say that those who don't like the changes mostly fall into an older editions demographic.

and given the approval they get I can safely say the majority of old players like then

 

[Maxperson]

repetition does not improve an argument, they refuted it the first time, it is no more convincing the second time

Not one person provided any refutation. I welcome such links and hard evidence, though. Do you have any?

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

The links I provided show the myriad of things that teens spend money on. $1440 doesn't even begin to cover the multitude things that they want and spend money on.

Teens have a new favorite restaurant — and it’s not Starbucks

Chick-fil-A has unseated Starbucks as teens' favorite restaurant.

www.businessinsider.com

Of course the question is not what they spend their money on now, but what they can and how much is available. The point would be to get D&D to bite into the %, that is why you market to them.

 

[mamba]

Okay fine. If you want to believe that the 25% of players who are teens are outspending the other 75% that have much more money to spend, you can do that.

never said that, I repeat, you are conflating several things to get from what you show to refute what I claimed. Not all new players are 17 or younger, not all old players are grognards.

I said not to pay too much attention to grognards which you then want to show as relevant through this

 

[Parmandur]

Because the older gamers outnumber the younger games 60/40. 75/25 if you're looking at teens only. Teens cannot be driving the money to WotC. They just don't have enough money to do it, especially with their significantly lower numbers.

As has been shown, all of thise age brackets are capable of buying every book WotC releases every year. Who is more likely to do so, though? People who already own years worth of books, or people to whom it is all new? People buying diapers and paying a mortgage, or enthusiastic youngsters with zero obligations?

This is just a reality if the market for a game ained at yourh, not sure why you are so adamant about this.

 

[mamba]

Not one person provided any refutation. I welcome such links and hard evidence, though. Do you have any?

you have no hard evidence, so it is your conclusions and experience against that of others. Not sure why you think you have shown anything worthwhile, that is what we are pointing out, and logic alone is enough to follow that line of reasoning

All you have shown is that everyone has enough money, if they wanted to buy the books