D&D (2024) Martial vs Caster: Removing the "Magical Dependencies" of high level.

[Zubatcarteira]

Catwoman is faster than light, D&D martials can't compare.

 

[TheSword]

And we are back to "don't worry fighter, you may suck, but your gear doesn't!"

A man who can only be great because of his tools, isn't great. Heck, would you consider someone who used a pre-programmed robot to make insanely accurate shots with a rifle a sniper? Is the world's greatest sniper the man who can hit ENTER on his keyboard to launch his sniper drone then go back to watching Netflix?

Fighters can benefit the most from magic items. That isn’t a weakness it’s a strength.

fighters benefit from weapons, armour and utility powers in ways that other classes don’t. AND it gets all its fighter abilities.

Wizard Magic items (with a few rare exeptions like robes of the magi, staff of power) generally provide alternatives but dont make what they essentially do any better.

[Wand of the war mage is another but as has been discussed earlier few important wizard spells have attack rolls]

 

[Gammadoodler]

Intentionally pedantic but we do say that. Comic book movies.

Hmm..do we? I feel like we say "Superhero movies". Maybe different perspectives.

Maybe you're right. That said, I'd just about wager the folks who say that don't know a lot about comic books in kinda the same way people describe "anime" as a genre don't know much about anime.

In my experience, this happens a lot with "nerd" stuff.

 

[Gammadoodler]

Fighters can benefit the most from magic items. That isn’t a weakness it’s a strength.

fighters benefit from weapons, armour and utility powers in ways that other classes don’t. AND it gets all its fighter abilities.

Wizard Magic items (with a few rare exeptions like robes of the magi, staff of power) generally provide alternatives but dont make what they essentially do any better.

[Wand of the war mage is another but as has been discussed earlier few important wizard spells have attack rolls]

This is only as true as the contents of the magic item lists. It is not a reliable predictor of the future, nor evidence of good class design.

 

[Emberashh]

Hmm..do we? I feel like we say "Superhero movies". Maybe different perspectives.

Maybe you're right. That said, I'd just about wager the folks who say that don't know a lot about comic books in kinda the same way people describe "anime" as a genre don't know much about anime.

The funny, if sometimes frustrating, thing about how language evolves is that, like water, it tends to take the path of least resistance. Most everyone collectively understand the references being made by these phrases despite them being inaccurate. Thats an indicator that language is evolving, and comic books and anime are coming to be understood as a genre unto themselves in addition to their original definitions as artistic mediums.

And frankly, in the case of anime, this distinction is muddied because the Japanese don't see any distinction between anime and any western animation, and its use in western countries to distinguish is what contributes to it being seen as a genre; likewise with comic books, the "Golden Age" of superhero movies has lead to comic books being mined for adaptation material a lot more than they used to in the past, and as so many of these have turned out to be superheroes or superhero adjacent, that conflates the terms.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

I guess that you need more to play the most valuable character of the party.

I need to not just be HP and the same skill set minus spells as the full caster

 

[Vaalingrade]

Fighters can benefit the most from magic items. That isn’t a weakness it’s a strength.

In a game that loves to bandy about how magic items aren't needed and are optional.

Optional like the other thing that should help fighters: feats.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Catwoman is faster than light, D&D martials can't compare.

you laugh but this is what I mean.

Deathstroke stabs wally west. It is dumb can't happen, wally is faster then light. So they right the excuse "I know where he is going and put my sword there" and everyone says its amazing... EXCEPT it's the same thing.

 

[OldSchoolGamerGirl]

Fighters can benefit the most from magic items. That isn’t a weakness it’s a strength.

a hexblade a bladesinger a sword bard and a warcleric can use the exact same magic items

fighters benefit from weapons, armour and utility powers in ways that other classes don’t. AND it gets all its fighter abilities.

a hexblade a bladesinger a sword bard and a warcleric can use the exact same magic items

Wizard Magic items (with a few rare exeptions like robes of the magi, staff of power) generally provide alternatives but dont make what they essentially do any better.

a +3 defender on a bladesinger is not weaker then a +3 defender on a battlemaster fighter

[Wand of the war mage is another but as has been discussed earlier few important wizard spells have attack rolls]

 

[Clint_L]

Percy is fighter/warlock IIRC. Unless he got Hex from a feat somewhere. Orym is single classed I believe.

Percy is a single-classed fighter, ultimately level 20, gunslinger sub-class (home-brewed by Matt Mercer; inspired by the Pathfinder sub-class because CR started out as a Pathfinder campaign). Hex comes via the sub-class.