James Gasik
We don't talk about Pun-Pun
It's no longer a spell in D&D I think, but in the Skulls and Shackles Pathfinder game I was in, my druid took water elemental form and cast Repel Wood while underneath a ship, launching it into the air.Can't speak for the fire..but in the spell description for control water.
"Any Huge or smaller vehicles struck by the wave have a 25 percent chance of capsizing."
It was a great moment, but perhaps not coincidentally, there wasn't another session...
A lot of problematic spells aren't seen as problematic until they're used creatively. And a lot of players don't see any problem using them, I mean, they're in the game, right? Surely they were intended to be used?
When I'm playing, I don't often stop to go "now wait, James, will this break the game in half?", I'm trying to solve a problem with the tools at hand. I have lived to regret some of my choices, however.