D&D (2024) Martial vs Caster: Removing the "Magical Dependencies" of high level.

[Micah Sweet]

it can be done, you just don't like the flavour we want to give it of them just being that strong, you're too caught up in 'but a regular earth human couldn't do that' to just let it happen, these aren't regular earth humans who are doing these things, not even including the ones who just plain aren't human, regular humans can't use magic or ki or channel the spirits of nature or their ancestors to resist damage in a battlerage.
the people of the world is infused with a natural magic, some use it to cast spells, others use it to surpass their physical limits.

Again, you have to say that in the books or its not so.

 

[Remathilis]

it can be done, you just don't like the flavour we want to give it of them just being that strong, you're too caught up in 'but a regular earth human couldn't do that' to just let it happen, these aren't regular earth humans who are doing these things, not even including the ones who just plain aren't human, regular humans can't use magic or ki or channel the spirits of nature or their ancestors to resist damage in a battlerage.
the people of the world is infused with a natural magic, some use it to cast spells, others use it to surpass their physical limits.

What flavor? The flavor I get it "fighters can fly because fighters are strong and fighter's need to fly to keep up with wizards?" If you said "fighters can fly by harnessing their ki" or "fighters can fly because they all secretly are aliens" I could argue flavor. But the flavor I get is "I refuse to explain it". And if you won't explain I won't accept.

You want fighters to fly and you don't feel it necessary to justify it lore. That's not flavor. That's handing me water and telling me to pretend its a Mai Tai.

 

[Micah Sweet]

But they can happen at ones own table, and as inspirations for indy niche products, including DMsGuild.

Which is where stuff like that is going to end up. That and Drivethru.

 

[Krachek]

That's going to be a problem too. Creating a class for purely mechanical reasons, with narrative a distant second according to my interpretation of several posters. A big reason, IMO, why WotC wouldn't touch the concept with a 10-foot pole.

The fighter we seen in the last UA will be much likely the core fighter for the next 10 years.
So the mythic Fighter can only be hope in supplemental product, third party or home brew. Guess what in all those three cases it will depend on DM approval.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And?

Indie Devs exist. 5E is creative commons. ORC is coming. What WotC does barely matters.

I quite agree, but there are some here who think WotC should pick up the slack.

 

[Incenjucar]

I quite agree, but there are some here who think WotC should pick up the slack.

They should! But them not doing so isn't a barrier, but rather an opportunity.

If WotC won't innovate, make them wish they did.

 

[Micah Sweet]

They should! But them not doing so isn't a barrier, but rather an opportunity.

If WotC won't innovate, make them wish they did.

All for it! You have my bow.

 

[Minigiant]

And?

Indie Devs exist. 5E is creative commons. ORC is coming. What WotC does barely matters.

The issue is more big Indie devs are headed designwise by the people with the same mentality as those in WOTC.

 

[Incenjucar]

The issue is more big Indie devs are headed designwise by the people with the same mentality as those in WOTC.

This is also an opportunity, but a whole thread's worth.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

i do find something very fascinating about the rejection of the idea that fighters could achieve supernatural effects with just fantastical training - it's also (almost certainly unintentionally) a rejection of the wizard.

i mean, think about it for a second. wizards don't have supernatural bloodlines (or else they'd be sorcerers). they don't get their powers from a god (or else they'd be clerics) or patron (or else they'd be warlocks). they don't derive their powers from the forces of nature (or else they'd be druids). they study. they research. they learn, and train, and that learning and training eventually lets them literally conjure wishes. so...why can't a fighter train themselves to become fantastically powerful like a wizard can?