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[Celebrim]

WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGG seening yourself as the source of lawfulness just means you are a NARCISSISIST. It's the moral code that believes Law and Order to benefit Goodness is the best way to live. You being the source of it has nothing to do with it. narcissism and being the center of it has nothing to do with a moral code.

Well that's a hot take.

PS: Ok, fine. Short rebuttal. There is one thing and one thing only no lawful being that isn't the creator of the universe can believe and that is that they are the center of the universe. Conversely, there is one thing and one thing only that is required to be chaotic, and that is to believe they are (in some sense, perhaps even literally) the center of the universe. Thus, while personality traits aren't generally related to alignment, narcissism in as much as has to do with believing you create the rules, certainly does.

 

[nevin]

Moral code. The way the universe should be run even if you don't exist.

Personality The way you act in the universe.

narcissim how much you believe yourself to be important to anything in the universe. Note this makes you a statistical outlier no matter how you crunch it.

 

[Divine2021]

1. The alignment system is good
2. The D&D “culture wars” are kind of pathetic and show symptoms of terminally online syndrome.
3. AD&D Second Edition is better than people remember.

 

[nevin]

I think he's actually Neutral Good. He clearly believes that we're better off when society follows good and just laws, but he doesn't believe that laws are inherently good and is skeptical of those who create and enforce them. The MCU Cap -- assuming we're talking about Steve, here -- is probably closer to Chaotic than the comic book one is, though.

Lawful Good doesn't Believe Laws are inherently good. They believe laws should support inherent good acts and things. Thus the Paladin doesn't have to follow laws that support BAD things. or lead to BAD solutions that support evil or even non goodness (nuetral)

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

2. The D&D “culture wars” are kind of pathetic and show symptoms of terminally online syndrome.
3. AD&D Second Edition is better than people remember.

I can't tell if the irony is intentional.

 

[nevin]

here's the thing A LG character only has to follow the laws they believe to bring about good solutions or actions. There is no inherent requirement that you follow all laws. LN follows laws that maintain balance. LE follows laws that bring them power and maintain society, LG follows laws that maintian the goodness of society.

 

[Divine2021]

I can't tell if the irony is intentional.

You’ll never know

 

[overgeeked]

Turning this thread into yet another pointless alignment argument is a great way to get it closed.

The early days of the Star Wars novels were way better than most of the movies and TV series that came after them.

Doctor Who is the best sci-fi franchise. Perry Rhodan is the second best sci-fi franchise.

DS9 is the best of the TNG-era Trek shows. SNW is the best recent Trek show.

 

[CreamCloud0]

No, you just don't understand what makes someone lawful. It's not whether they respect (or disrespect) the authority of the government. Lawful has to do with whether you see yourself as the source of meaning and authority or whether you seem something external to yourself as the source of meaning and authority. Cap' makes it clear that his morality isn't his own and that he really thinks right and wrong are more than a matter of opinion. But it's also true that Cap' thinks that his source of morality is one that the government ought to share and that if the government departs from morality as he has received it, then it's the government not him that is in the wrong. You could argue with Cap' that he is in the wrong by appealing to his source of morality and making an argument based on it, but you couldn't get Cap' to agree that the government ought to be his source of morality. You could only get Cap' to agree that he ought to respect the government in as far as doing so didn't put him outside higher law. This is a "liege" type structure typical to Lawful morality systems where when your honor and duty is in conflict, you break the tie by holding allegiance to whatever the higher authority is.

i can't tell if you're actually genuine here or just screwing with me being intentional contradictory

 

[nevin]

Well that's a hot take.

PS: Ok, fine. Short rebuttal. There is one thing and one thing only no lawful being that isn't the creator of the universe can believe and that is that they are the center of the universe. Conversely, there is one thing and one thing only that is required to be chaotic, and that is to believe they are (in some sense, perhaps even literally) the center of the universe. Thus, while personality traits aren't generally related to alignment, narcissism in as much as has to do with believing you create the rules, certainly does.

Ok the creator of the universe doesn't believe they are the center of the Universe. They created it. They know if they are the center of the universe. No Chaotic means rules are bad.....Period......nothing else. Chaotic Good means be a good person naughty word the laws that try to restrict you. But still be good. CN means naughty word anyone who trys to stop free will, good bad or not. CE means no rule do whatever you want and restricting other people is ok. Just end up on top.