D&D 4E Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023

[fluffybunbunkittens]

The step too far for me is knocking over a uniform Gelatinous cube would have any effect. You’d have to imagine something new about cubes to do so and adjust the fiction accordingly.

the others you don’t.

Yes, we have different 'this makes sense to me' things. You don't think the advancing wall of liquid has any side that points down, I don't think you should be able to stop an advancing wall of liquid by holding up your hand any more than you'd do to a tsunami.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I find forcing the world to conform to any game's rules very frustrating. That's why I play FKR games. Change the rules to suit the world. Not the other way around.

But, going the other way around is just as valid an approach. That's all I'm saying. It's not your preference, or really mine, granted. But it is a possible approach.

What are FKR games?

 

[darjr]

Yes, we have different 'this makes sense to me' things. You don't think the advancing wall of liquid has any side that points down, I don't think you should be able to stop an advancing wall of liquid by holding up your hand any more than you'd do to a tsunami.

Well it’s not a liquid. It’s gelatinous.

But I get you. And I do realize people will land differently.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Yes, we have different 'this makes sense to me' things. You don't think the advancing wall of liquid has any side that points down, I don't think you should be able to stop an advancing wall of liquid by holding up your hand any more than you'd do to a tsunami.

True.

But you certainly couldn't trip the tsunami, either. So ... maybe not a helpful counterexample?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yes, we have different 'this makes sense to me' things. You don't think the advancing wall of liquid has any side that points down, I don't think you should be able to stop an advancing wall of liquid by holding up your hand any more than you'd do to a tsunami.

I don't either. Like I said, that is also a bad rule IMO

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

What are FKR games?

Oh ... oh no.

 

[James Gasik]

What are FKR games?

Free Kriegsspiel Revolution.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

What are FKR games?

'GM decides', is basically the gist of it.

 

[Marc Radle]

Yes, we have different 'this makes sense to me' things. You don't think the advancing wall of liquid has any side that points down, I don't think you should be able to stop an advancing wall of liquid by holding up your hand any more than you'd do to a tsunami.

Wow, I actually had to go back and reread the thread title and first few posts to remember what this thread used to be about!

It’s drifted a bit away from that to say the least …

 

[Gammadoodler]

Perhaps mechanisms are evenly distributed throughout its body. Given what oozes are, that's what I've always assumed.

Perhaps they are. But this is not a "real world" assumption.

So on the one hand we have:

1. a mechanical state, "prone" that relies on a certain set of (potentially) reasonable assumptions based on the cubes existence as a creature with "real-world" needs for distributed biomechanics. But which fails from a "geometric" perspective.

And on the other we have

2. a ruling that this mechanical state is inapplicable based on "real-world geometry/physics" that relies on a fantastical interpretation of the biomechanics or ignores those mechanics entirely.

I fail to see how #2 is superior from a "real world logic" perspective. It seems to me its just a preference for a certain type of fantasy over another.