D&D 4E Ben Riggs' "What the Heck Happened with 4th Edition?" seminar at Gen Con 2023

[Micah Sweet]

Yep. The problem isn't that it's cube-shaped, or that it's flexible. The problem is it weighs almost thirty tons. You'd need heavy machinery to overturn that. Conan is pretty strong, but unless he's driving a bulldozer, that cube ain't going anywhere it doesn't already want to go.

And yet that doesn't matter either to the 4e rules.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Bad example. D&D characters are considered to be strongest/more dexterous/etc. than the average commoner. An 18 in str basically means the fighter is almost superhuman, Comic book wise super human.

And this is specially true in 4e, were it is stated in the flavor that adventurers are special individuals cut above the common people.

Again, this happens in fantasyland, not in "Not-Medieval-Europe".

That isn't what fantasyland means. Not to me anyway.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Nope. He just rewinds time by flying contrary to the Earth's rotation... Again, fantasyland.

A notoriously, ridiculously bad plot point in a movie isn't support.

 

[JAMUMU]

Is that in support of or against tripping an ooze having the same effect as tripping something with legs?

I mean, what material is the spoon made of? Can I startle the ooze with my Intimidate skill? Do any of the PCs have experience cow-tipping? Is the GM asleep? If so, why are we arguing over ooze-flipping and not drawing some old-timey moustachious on the 'morber?

 

[Micah Sweet]

I mean, what material is the spoon made of? Can I startle the ooze with my Intimidate skill? Do any of the PCs have experience cow-tipping? Is the GM asleep? If so, why are we arguing over ooze-flipping and not drawing some old-timey moustachious on the 'morber?

What's a 'morber?

 

[JAMUMU]

It's a mother-morbin' mother-morber, as in the movie Morbius, who we mother-morbers morb for. When it's morbin' time. It's a meme, ok?

 

[CleverNickName]

And yet that doesn't matter either to the 4e rules.

"And here my troubles began..."

Not really. I had plenty of problems with the 4E rules, and this one doesn't even make the top twenty. But that's okay! 4E can't be all things to all people, and it would ruin it to even try. We stayed with older editions until switching to 5E, and we haven't looked back.

 

[Micah Sweet]

It's a mother-morbin' mother-morber, as in the movie Morbius, who we mother-morbers morb for. When it's morbin' time. It's a meme, ok?

Oh. I hate memes.

 

[JAMUMU]

Oh. I hate memes.

Then for you, it is not Morbin time.

 

[Zeromaru X]

People who do like 4e certainly aren't shy about talking about it.

We have to. We have been being harassed, bullied and told how no fun we are for liking 4e since the ancient Edition Wars...