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[Micah Sweet]

If playing a game causes someone so much anger that they have to post in discussions of the game about how much they dislike the game, then maybe they shouldn’t play the game or even engage in those discussions but instead they should play something else instead that makes them happy and then post about that! That makes for far better reading on the forum.

Well, you can't say you're not looking to your own best interests here.

 

[Micah Sweet]

But you aren't happy. You are contradicting yourself. You flat out said that the only way you would be happy is if someone got a mythic fighter that wasn't a fighter. The only way to add in a sort of mythic capability to different classes is to create new classes. The existing classes must not be changed.

So, which is it? Can I have a mythic fighter - an optional add on that starts at about 11th level and adds a number of elements to the base fighter chasis? Or must I be forced to either go with 3pp (cf the warlord) or hope that WotC will actually create a new class?

Considering the HUGE amount of push back every suggestion of changing the fighter gets - including your own insistence that a fighter must never be changed because you like the flavor - I'm thinking that perhaps your position isn't quite as broad as your claiming.

I thought you said you were fine with 3pp? Did WotC tempt you to switch over?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Thus exactly my point. Repeat this conversation for virtually any change to the game and it's exactly the same result. Nothing gets actually fixed or changed or allowed to evolve because any change is always going to be blocked. Thus 5e is the evergreen edition in truth.

Look, I know I lost this argument years ago. We couldn't even get a warlord into 5e. Get a mythic fighter? Good luck. That's not going to happen. The goalposts will just be endlessly moved further and further back. The only way we get any sort of changes is when they're stealthed in. Like how the latest Great Old One Warlock is now a stealth psionicist.

Sneaky sneaky catchy monkey.

But who cares what WotC does? Plenty of other folks making 5e content, and there's always homebrew.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I just find the irony delicious. It's perfectly fine that the latest playtest has stealthed in a psionic warlock with the Great Old One pact. No problems. Completely change the flavor of the class. Perfectly fine. But, add something to fighters? Oh hell no.

Ah well. It's always the way. People constantly complain about how casters get all the good stuff, but, any attempt to give anything to the non-casters and get that that's not really D&D. Like I said, 6 impossible things before breakfast is perfectly fine, but, that seventh boy, that's a doozy.

Would just be nice if just once, people would accept a bit of compromise. Let me have the last eight or ten levels of fighter to make a mythic fighter. Most players aren't even going to notice since so few actually play those levels anyway. But, nope. THOU SHALT NOT CHANGE THE FIGHTER. It's 100% the way it is now, or nothing.

You don't like weapons mastery? I thought all the WotC followers just loved it.

 

[R_J_K75]

I bet this is actually a popular opinion.

I truly respect the service industry. I tip well, sometimes beforehand, or afterwards depending on the setting. Tip stands for "To Insure Promptness". Is it just me or have the service industry employees gotten unintelligent and unmotivated? The service industry sucks these days. Cases in point...

KFC: They got 100% of my order wrong. I ordered Mt Dew, the attendant saw me standing there but instead of asking me what I would like for a replacement, they took it upon themselves to serve me Mt. Dew Cool Rush or some other crap. Get home my order is entirely wrong.

Mighty Taco: They're a local fast-food joint. Im in the drive thru, I place my order which was at least $20+, they said it would be $5 and change. I LMFAO at that alone, but 15 mins later I'm second car in line. They give the person in front his drink, take his money....5 F-in mins later he's still there, I just drove away. Funny thing being the person behind me probably got my order, so I probably gummed up the works for another half hour by cutting the line and driving away. 20 mins in a drive thu line is insane, nothing fast about that food.

Pete-N-Pauls: Again, another local place, they serve burgers, dogs, and filled pita pockets with various items, and themes. I ordered a specialty burger that came with something listed as "TLM" on the menu. I asked the cashier what it meant, he looked at me like a deer in headlights and said "I don't know" then just stared at me for 15 seconds, I then said, "we'll go find out".

SMH because this is becoming ever more common.

 

[payn]

I bet this is actually a popular opinion.

I truly respect the service industry. I tip well, sometimes beforehand, or afterwards depending on the setting. Tip stands for "To Insure Promptness". Is it just me or have the service industry employees gotten unintelligent and unmotivated? The service industry sucks these days. Cases in point...

KFC: They got 100% of my order wrong. I ordered Mt Dew, the attendant saw me standing there but instead of asking me what I would like for a replacement, they took it upon themselves to serve me Mt. Dew Cool Rush or some other crap. Get home my order is entirely wrong.

Mighty Taco: They're a local fast-food joint. Im in the drive thru, I place my order which was at least $20+, they said it would be $5 and change. I LMFAO at that alone, but 15 mins later I'm second car in line. They give the person in front his drink, take his money....5 F-in mins later he's still there, I just drove away. Funny thing being the person behind me probably got my order, so I probably gummed up the works for another half hour by cutting the line and driving away. 20 mins in a drive thu line is insane, nothing fast about that food.

Pete-N-Pauls: Again, another local place, they serve burgers, dogs, and filled pita pockets with various items, and themes. I ordered a specialty burger that came with something listed as "TLM" on the menu. I asked the cashier what it meant, he looked at me like a deer in headlights and said "I don't know" then just stared at me for 15 seconds, I then said, "we'll go find out".

SMH because this is becoming ever more common.

Well, part of it is you get what you pay for. These are not exactly any star restaurants you are talking about. In fact, its kind of funny in how the cheapest places ensure the accuracy, even if the service is bad. I know folks who will eat an unpleasant meal at a nice restaurant because they are too afraid to make a scene. Yet, that person would go to the counter at a fast food joint and all but slap the employee for giving them Mt dew cool rush by mistake. Anyways, most fast food joints are not tipped, so despite prompt service, it might not be quality service. I wouldn't base my perception of the service industry at the entry point.

 

[R_J_K75]

Well, part of it is you get what you pay for. These are not exactly any star restaurants you are talking about. In fact, its kind of funny in how the cheapest places ensure the accuracy, even if the service is bad. I know folks who will eat an unpleasant meal at a nice restaurant because they are too afraid to make a scene. Yet, that person would go to the counter at a fast food joint and all but slap the employee for giving them Mt dew cool rush by mistake. Anyways, most fast food joints are not tipped, so despite prompt service, it might not be quality service. I wouldn't base my perception of the service industry at the entry point.

All fair points. Ive worked fast food and yes you make mistakes here and there. I assume if I'm going to a fast-food eatery that the food is subpar at best, but I'm willing to deal with that for the speed. When Im in a drive thru for 20 mins theres a problem

 

[not-so-newguy]

Hi!

I've worked in the service industry for over 30+ years, from Chili's to fine dining to sit-down dinners in billionaire homes.

From what i have experienced and from what I have heard from media economic reports, restaurants are struggling to find employees like never before. Low-end jobs like that suck to start with and now it's probably even crappier. i don't think it's going to get better.

 

[Maxperson]

I just find the irony delicious. It's perfectly fine that the latest playtest has stealthed in a psionic warlock with the Great Old One pact. No problems. Completely change the flavor of the class. Perfectly fine. But, add something to fighters? Oh hell no.

Ah well. It's always the way. People constantly complain about how casters get all the good stuff, but, any attempt to give anything to the non-casters and get that that's not really D&D. Like I said, 6 impossible things before breakfast is perfectly fine, but, that seventh boy, that's a doozy.

Would just be nice if just once, people would accept a bit of compromise. Let me have the last eight or ten levels of fighter to make a mythic fighter. Most players aren't even going to notice since so few actually play those levels anyway. But, nope. THOU SHALT NOT CHANGE THE FIGHTER. It's 100% the way it is now, or nothing.

Why is it a problem to have optional fighter rules in the DMG to cludge on your few mythic abilities? Why try to wreck other people's toys instead picking a way for everyone to get a toy? They did it with Tasha's and the fighter options. That seemed to work out okay.

 

[deganawida]

I hate current D&D's peculiar use of multiverse. In most media it's a convention that allows you to have different versions of the same thing. Here it's an excuse to impose a single monomyth on all settings.

Completely agreed. They don’t understand what it means, they’re just hopping on the current trend.