D&D 5E [+] Ways to fix the caster / non-caster gap

[Micah Sweet]

Literally speaking they are aliens. They are as just as much from Earth as Superman is.

Show me the superpowers they all have then.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If we ever get campaign setting back, they should all have NOT EARTH printed in large, friendly letters on the front.

 

[Gammadoodler]

Show me the superpowers they all have then.

The potential to do any of the supernatural things described in the Players Handbook.

Potential which Earth humans do not possess.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Now you're just ignoring what I'm saying. Please read and respond to what I actually wrote, or if you think you did that, please state your own unstated assumption so that your response appears relevant to my post, because right now I don't see how it is.

if the entire world has magic in it then i assume the people do too, i assume that the presense of magic in the people would naturally cause them to develop slightly differently from the people in the real world where magic isn't an environmental factor in their development, like my light/heavyworlder examples.

i said magic was an assumption of DnD worlds, you replied with:

Not in mine.

so all the other stuff which is based on magic would therefore not exist in your world would it not?

 

[CreamCloud0]

If we ever get campaign setting back, they should all have NOT EARTH printed in large, friendly letters on the front.

are we certain it has to be friendly reminder? or at least can we imply there will be an unfriendly reminder to follow if they don't get the hint?

 

[mamba]

magic and supernatural stuff is a pretty explicitly stated assumption of the world and it's inhabitants IMO

yes, but that does not mean there is nothing familiar to hold on to. If the game deviates from the world as we know it, it tells us that in the rules. We know how far people can jump in it etc., anything not mentioned isn’t something that is completely unclear, it is something that is not different.

See the list of questions above, pretty much all of them can be answered ‘yes’, any ‘no’ comes from the game rules

 

[CreamCloud0]

yes, but that does not mean there is nothing familiar to hold on to. If the game deviates from the world as we know it, it tells us that in the rules. We know how far people can jump in it etc., anything not mentioned isn’t something that is completely unclear, it is something that is not different.

See the list of questions above, pretty much all of them can be answered ‘yes’, any ‘no’ comes from the game rules

just because the game turns the dials up a notch or two on what humans are capable of it doesn't make them suddenly completely unfamiliar to us, the answers to those questions will most likely stay the same for all of them.

it's like asking 'can a human be expected to jump across a 20ft gorge?' and being told 'no' but then asking 'can a human in an action movie be expected to jump across a 20ft gorge?' and being told 'oh of course every time'

 

[Vaalingrade]

People watch action movies all the time and no one has the nerve to insist those guys are completely unfamiliar and unrelatable.

 

[Neonchameleon]

No. The fact that the world has magic is not proof that humans in D&D are actually aliens who just happen to look and act like us and have the same name.

Elmer Fudd and Yosemite Sam are both considered to be humans within the Loony Tunes universe (I think). Doesn't make them entirely like real world humans.

 

[Micah Sweet]

The potential to do any of the supernatural things described in the Players Handbook.

Potential which Earth humans do not possess.

We don't know that Earth humans don't have that potential, because supernatural things don't exist on Earth. And potential doesn't have any effect in and of itself anyway, so unless it's realized in the individual, we're still talking Earth human for all practical purposes.