On Indigenous Peoples Day Coyote & Crow pdf will be pay what you want

[Emberashh]

Wrong. Naming with real names is available to Native Americans playing the game by the RAW.
"Two Spirit" is in there, restricted to Native Americans.

My dude, you really need to examine why you're getting this upset that you're not being given explicit permission to pretend to be a minority.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Umbran quoted it, "mischaracterizes it" as not a rule.

Things they don't want the whole audience to have available shouldn't be in it. I feel the same about any kind of options - don't put it in unless you want it available to everyone.

Discriminatory mindset is discriminatory mindset, no matter the direction.

It does seem discriminatory to me as written (and like it won't help increase empathy among people)

 

[Emberashh]

It does seem discriminatory to me as written (and like it won't help increase empathy among people)

You're trivializing a very real problem by evoking it in this way.

I would just not.

 

[Bedrockgames]

You're trivializing a very real problem by evoking it in this way.

I would just not.

I don't see how I am doing that. The poster was reacting to it by saying the content seemed discriminatory. I would concur that it feels weird and a bit racist to say this group can do X in the game and this group can't. I also think by telling people they aren't allowed to imagine being from group X, Y or Z, those people are not going to get as many opportunities to try putting themselves in the shoes of X,Y, or Z. A lot of this probably comes down to assumptions. I have no doubt the writer of that book probably is trying to increase the good in the world, and has a set of assumptions about things like cultural sharing and exchange, and portrayal of in media, and so is working off those assumptions here in the text. I hold different assumptions and think the premise underlying what he is saying is flawed and doesn't lead to better results for people in the real world.

 

[Emberashh]

I don't see how I am doing that. The poster was reacting to it by saying the content seemed discriminatory. I would concur that it feels weird and a bit racist to say this group can do X in the game and this group can't. I also think by telling people they aren't allowed to imagine being from group X, Y or Z, those people are not going to get as many opportunities to try putting themselves in the shoes of X,Y, or Z. A lot of this probably comes down to assumptions. I have no doubt the writer of that book probably is trying to increase the good in the world, and has a set of assumptions about things like cultural sharing and exchange, and portrayal of in media, and so is working off those assumptions here in the text. I hold different assumptions and think the premise underlying what he is saying is flawed and doesn't lead to better results for people in the real world.

Its not that fundamentally different from how people try to trivialize gender identity issues by making jokes about attack helicopters.

Not only is it (in both cases) appropriating language made up by the actual victims of discrimination (yes, the joke came from one of us), but its using it in a way that undermines the message.

Making jokes about attack helicopters trivializes gender issues in the same way that pretending to be discrimimated against (when you and the person in question are guaranteed do not qualify under any actual recognized definition) trivializes discrimination issues.

It makes them look trite and absurd when they are anything but.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Its not that fundamentally different from how people try to trivialize gender identity issues by making jokes about attack helicopters.

Not only is it (in both cases) appropriating language made up by the actual victims of discrimination (yes, the joke came from one of us), but its using it in a way that undermines the message.

Making jokes about attack helicopters trivializes gender issues in the same way that pretending to be discrimimated against (when you and the person in question are guaranteed do not qualify under any actual recognized definition) trivializes discrimination issues.

It makes them look trite and absurd when they are anything but.

I wasn't joking. It is discriminatory and racist because it is treating both groups differntly based on their race, ethnicity, and or cultural background. And literally saying one can do something, the other can't. I get why they are doing it. But I think it is a deeply flawed premise that is only going to reduce empathy in the world, disconnect cultures from one another further, and create resentment between different groups of people. I don't think those are the intended outcomes of the mindset, but I do think that is where it naturally leads to

 

[Emberashh]

I wasn't joking. It is discriminatory and racist because it is treating both groups differntly based on their race, ethnicity, and or cultural background. And literally saying one can do something, the other can't. I get why they are doing it. But I think it is a deeply flawed premise that is only going to reduce empathy in the world, disconnect cultures from one another further, and create resentment between different groups of people. I don't think those are the intended outcomes of the mindset, but I do think that is where it naturally leads to

No, it isn't, and you need to grow up and get over it.

 

[Bedrockgames]

No, it isn't, and you need to grow up and get over it.

We don't have to trade insults. We disagree and that is fine. I have a whole lifetime already of growing up, and being instilled with a variety of principles and values from a wide range of sources. I feel comfortable taking the position that I do here. But if you disagree, that is fine. We don't have to agree on these things

 

[MGibster]

I find it sad that telling people not to cosplay as minorities is getting downvoted to hell on Reddit.

I might be getting my terms mixed up, but cosplay is short for costume play, right? Other than those involved in live action role playing, I don't think I've ever seen someone cosplay during a table top roleplaying game. i.e. I've never had a Call of Cthulhu player show up to the game wearing a suit, suspenders, and with their hair slicked down with Dapper Dan pomade or wearing a flapper style dress. Though that honestly might be pretty cool. In a role playing game, players are epected to take on the role of the characte they're playing. I ran a Call of Chulhu game set in the 1930s, and one of my white players had a black character. Was he cosplaying? No. None of this is about cosplaying.

 

[Bedrockgames]

I might be getting my terms mixed up, but cosplay is short for constume play, right? Other than those involved in live action role playing, I don't think I've ever seen someone cosplay during a table top roleplaying game. i.e. I've never had a Call of Cthulhu player show up to the game wearing a suit, suspenders, and with their hair slicked down with Dapper Dan pomade or wearing a flapper style dress. Though that honestly might be pretty cool. In a role playing game, players are epected to take on the role of the characte they're playing. I ran a Call of Chulhu game set in the 1930s, and one of my white players had a black character. Was he cosplaying? No. None of this is about cosplaying.

I've never cosplayed anything at an RPG table. I have heard of people who do, but I think that is more something I see on TV when people are trying to demonstrate on a TV show what they think people who play D&D or other RPGs do.