D&D (2024) Greyhawk Confirmed. Tell Me Why.

[Hussar]

Sure. But that's your actual argument, you wouldn't have argued against me. What you really appear to be arguing in favor of, is for the publisher to publish the least intriguing most vanilla content possible, and, crucially, for us to settle for that and just accept we can't get any more than that.

As if "standard" must mean unambitious, creatively reactive and devoid of any risk-taking. But of course we know it doesn't have to mean that.

We “know” nothing of the sort.

We “know” that every time WotC has strayed from the proscribed path, the fandom slaps them down hard. When WotC produces tried and true,it works.

WotC not deviating from the path is 100% on the fans.

 

[Remathilis]

I'm not sure if you knew McDonalds did sell pizza (and I believe tacos too) at one time, and still does (at 3 locations) or if that was just meant as a Mcjoke?

Though I would not complain if McDonalds started offering onion rings or hot dogs, so many other burger places do.

A company can still do things that fits with main line and still gives opportunity to offer something that wasn't available before. Doing one thing and one thing only leaves you ending up like Radio Shack when the market changes.

I'd love, for example, for WotC to bring back Gamma World, Star Frontiers (or Alternity) and maybe Boot Hill. Have them broaden the scope of what they make for D&D (i.e., Dark Sun and Jakandor). Just don't overdo it to the point they're spread too thin.

I'm aware those products existed, and that was my point. They aren't what you think of when you say McDonald's. Companies try new things from time to time, but they focus on their core products because they sell.

D&D is currently supporting seven settings and four guest settings. That's a far larger amount of options than Paizo gives you (Golarion or GTFO). More than KP, Goodman or most 3pp places. I would rather they focus on those seven (or even less) rather than a bunch of additional settings.

 

[Staffan]

D&D is currently supporting seven settings and four guest settings. That's a far larger amount of options than Paizo gives you (Golarion or GTFO). More than KP, Goodman or most 3pp places. I would rather they focus on those seven (or even less) rather than a bunch of additional settings.

"Support" is a strong word in that sentence. I don't know that I'd call a single book five years ago to be "supporting" Eberron, for example.

 

[Parmandur]

"Support" is a strong word in that sentence. I don't know that I'd call a single book five years ago to be "supporting" Eberron, for example.

It's all-inclusive, still in print, still referenced in recent books, and open on the DMsGuild. About as much support as a Setting can get.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Sure. But that's your actual argument, you wouldn't have argued against me. What you really appear to be arguing in favor of, is for the publisher to publish the least intriguing most vanilla content possible, and, crucially, for us to settle for that and just accept we can't get any more than that.

As if "standard" must mean unambitious, creatively reactive and devoid of any risk-taking. But of course we know it doesn't have to mean that.

You know, you keep claiming that Greyhawk is "unambitious, creatively reactive and devoid of any risk-taking" as well as "the least intriguing most vanilla content possible" but.... do you have any actual support for that position? Like, I'm not super familiar with Greyhawk, but a setting where historically two massive, arcane machines capable of ripping reality apart went to war, where a Cowboy is a God with a Six-shooter, and where a crashed spaceship holds a potential plague of fungus-men and mutants.... just doesn't seem like the most vanilla thing it is possible to create.

 

[Chaosmancer]

It's all-inclusive, still in print, still referenced in recent books, and open on the DMsGuild. About as much support as a Setting can get.

Yeah, other than printing Eberron adventures, which would be nice but not needed... what more could they do? Which, I guess is a little unfair to ask, because Keith Baker (the creator of Eberron) has made two excellent resources for buy, on sale on DMsGuild and frankly... I'd rather buy his setting resource books than WoTCs

 

[Von Ether]

It's all-inclusive, still in print, still referenced in recent books, and open on the DMsGuild. About as much support as a Setting can get.

And has one of the few 1-20 Level Adventure League games in one setting. That's pretty much full on Plot Point campaign.

 

[Hussar]

"Support" is a strong word in that sentence. I don't know that I'd call a single book five years ago to be "supporting" Eberron, for example.

Yeah, I'm going to agree with this here. I mean, how much support has Theros gotten? Strixhaven? Ravenloft I would say got support - a full AP and a setting guide. Dragonlance? That's not really supported by WotC.

But, again, it does come down to definitions. Is opening up something on DM's Guild support or not? You could make the argument either way. My point of view is that while opening something up on DM's Guild allows others to support a setting, it's not really a case of WotC supporting that setting.

I mean, sure, there's some fantastic stuff for Spelljammer on DM's Guild. But, as far as WotC goes, it's one AP and a couple of very, very slim setting guides.

WotC has shown in the last 10 years that they have virtually zero interest in doing any more big setting guide books anymore. I can't blame them, really. But claiming that WotC is currently supporting seven settings is stretching the definition of "support" a bit much.

 

[Remathilis]

"Support" is a strong word in that sentence. I don't know that I'd call a single book five years ago to be "supporting" Eberron, for example.

You can buy a book and have enough basic info and character options to run a campaign in those settings. You cannot in Mystara, Dark Sun, or Birthright. That is what I meant by support.

If you want greater support, consider which five or more settings you want to put back on the shelf. WotC has opted for a mile wide and inch deep approach. If you want deeper support, you are going to sacrifice the majority of those settings. Your choice.

 

[pemerton]

Maybe I'm missing something - but if I wanted to run 5e in Mystara/the Known World, wouldn't I do that just by running 5e in Mystara/the Known World?

I mean, the map is there in the Isle of Dread, the Gazetteers are there on DriveThruRPG. How do Sorcerers fit into Glantri? It's your table, you make it up!