D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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Also, can we stop pretending that some people who have made 50 year old pamphlets their entire personality should be treated as some sort of important cultural critics when they get upset that someone points out that the 1970s weren't a perfect period of American history? We are giving these folks' words more weight than they deserve.

To support this point, I feel like this also needs to be called out...

Riggs said:
"Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet?"

You're on the internet in 2024, Riggs. You're posting on a website owned by one of the richest right-wing enablers in the world, in a country where incels engage in mass shootings and bigoted rancor spills from the drooling mouths of the leaders of nations with nuclear arsenals. You do know the answer to this question, right?

You are never going to explain this enough to stop it. There are loud, influential people who don't want to understand - whose identity is built around willfully not understanding, who recruit tinfoil hat minions who will also loudly refuse to understand, and waste your time in the explanation.

So what's the impact you want? To expand D&D to new audiences? Then lets talk about how to find new players and make new groups, how to train new DMs, how to give D&D players ownership of their own games. Lets build something that can spark that. And yeah, let's keep talking about the sexism in old D&D, too. Awareness is fine, but enough maybe with trying to preach to those who do not have ears to hear with. Give me an action to take.
 

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So, EGG
Why were people like that back then? Were they just questionable people or a product of the times?

For example, if I were born back then, would I be the same? Or would I think as I do now, ie. that everyone deserves equal respect regardless of gender, race, etc. and everyone has a place in gaming?

Just trying to grapple with how much resentment to feel towards the creators of the hobby.
So, EGG most likely wasn't an extreme example of sexist man FOR THAT PERIOD, and probably wouldn't have been tagged with the label by many people DURING THAT PERIOD. By today's standards, hoo boy. But not back then. The men who did get tagged as sexist back then would be nigh-unimaginable caricatures now, and probably couldn't even be written as bad guys in modern fiction.

As to how you would have turned out? I don't (and can't know). Gender roles and attitudes were a lot more locked in, and the societal bias was strong. But even then, there were a lot of people that didn't subscribe to or participate in the bias. They were just rarer than they are now.

If there's anything I would gig EGG for as a person, it's that his attitudes didn't change as evidence mounted.

On the other hand, very rarely should the personal failings of the artist be held against the quality of the artist's work. Hemingway is a good example in this context. His works are generally held up (or were) as examples of excellent writing. The man himself, however, shouldn't be anyone's role model.

Don't engage in chrono-snobbery. But do acknowledge where the old standards have been replaced, and let it go.
 

Why were people like that back then? Were they just questionable people or a product of the times?

For example, if I were born back then, would I be the same? Or would I think as I do now, ie. that everyone deserves equal respect regardless of gender, race, etc. and everyone has a place in gaming?

Just trying to grapple with how much resentment to feel towards the creators of the hobby.

In any time, I think there are some things particular to that time that people just don't think about. And I think when people are told the stuff their society/friend group/family do is bad they react defensively. And I think it takes time for groups to change. (None of which justifies doing bad things!)

There were a lot of things as a pre-teen in the late 70s that were a lot more common that I don't remember showing up in my consciousness as things we thought were bad, they just were - blond jokes, common use of gay slurs, the n-word, jokes about those with disabilities, Polish jokes. I did cringe when some older family members would make racist comments about someone moving into the neighborhood or whatnot. My dad and one of his cousins can describe the gradient of how racism was viewed in their family from the older generations, through the years to the youngest of their generation (the cousin was pushed off a porch by my grandfather iirc for trying to get support from him for good schools for minorities).

I kind of wish school kids (and their parents and grandparents) were regularly reminded of how recent it was that a lot of legally enforced discrimination was around - women able to get credit cards in 1974, gay sex not illegal 1962-2003 depending on state, redlining banned 1968, etc....

I'm kind of a fan of:
(1) Recognizing that people suck, and that moving back in time is often more suckiness, and the future will view a lot of what we consider ok today badly. So, maybe, stop holding up people as paragons in general until all the evidence is in and maybe stop treating entire generations in the past as dirt. And maybe when people talk about that past and its problems they aren't calling you dirt just because your ancestors lived back then and did bad things. And maybe we should keep trying to get better.
(2) Recognizing that some people were truly excremental and in the bottom x% of their time, and some were in the top x% of their time in terms of the good vs. bad scale.. And that it's pretty excremental to hold up folks who were the worst in their times.
 
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All I will say is all Ben has done is sow diversion and resentments everyone and the only person who benifits is Ben himself. I will will never touch a product he is apart of after this. Maybe Gygax was sexist, maybe he wasn't, dudes dead and can't defend himself and provoking a whole ugly scene over it did no one any good, except Ben gets a ton of free marketing. It's clear he did this on purpose. Women get sent the message the founder says they are unwelcome and feel accordingly, Gygax supporters feel he's slandered and feel unwelcome as well.

Personally I support women, men, Trans, none binary, Intersex players and DMs, for me this is not about that, all are welcome, and I don't speak for Gygax, I'll let those who knew him best do so themselves, this is about predatory marketing and turning fans against fans for personal gain and it makes me sad.

I'm getting too old for this s*** so that is all I have to say about it. Please don't reply to this comment, I wish to be dragged no further into this bog of eternal raged filled stench.
 

Also, it’s written words—libel, not slander. And also you can’t libel the dead. It’s definitely not slander.
It's kind of silly that there are two separate crimes today. I suspect that's related to the dawn of the printing press and the powers that be seeing the printed word as scarier than some person down at the local pub saying something unkind about the king.
 

D&D was in a quasi medieval setting based on pulp fantasy tropes, fairy stories, myths and legends. There were a lot of sexist tropes in those stories - the women tend to suffer and the men tend to rescue - and many still criticise Disney for making its princesses too independent even today - the prejudice runs deep. I cannot tell you the number of times we played adventures with our Star Wars figures where a female character died at the end. The woman in the refrigerator trope was pervasive in TV and movies. In our defence, we did use the different Leia figures as different characters.

I don't doubt that the original creative team was as sexist as almost everyone else in the seventies but Tiamat was a mythological goddess. I don't think it was sexist for Gygax to portray her as female. Women were always forcing us to stop playing when we were kids, though. No wonder teenage D&D players thought nothing of making them villains.

I never had a major problem with the concept of strength limitations based on sex and race, I just felt that they were set too low and I thought that if you were going to cap strength then female characters should have been able to get a bonus point to put elsewhere (Dex, Int, Wis, or Cha - areas where real world women tend to excel compared to men). I think the intent was probably from an assumption that most players would pick stereotypical rogue and spell-caster female characters.

One thing that always made us laugh though was the concept that the humanoid tribal lairs were full of females who 'do not fight'. And few races had stronger females, despite this being common in nature.

I still struggle now with the concept of a Str 20 halfling or a Dex 20 dwarf. I know the world is based on magic but still, pushing the extremes of the classical tropes grates on my subconscious. I would be happy if the races were tiered with three 18 caps and three 20 caps a bit more like the good old days. Some of the combinations min-maxers produce just look very silly. I could live with female halflings starting caps being S17, D20, C20, I18, W18, Ch20. There are still lots of fun combinations in there. It pains me that some would be vehemently opposed even to having a sidebar giving the option to do it.

Of course, there would also be no bar to having a world where women are the stronger sex in many species. Drow and trolls are the only ones that spring to mind from Gygax's time.
 

Well Gary said it it's right there in black and white. I regard it as a product of its time. There's no real point in digging it up and making a fuss of it. Gary was born in 1938 and was a product of 1938. We can look at other people around in 1938 and he was born to that world.

That being said I wouldn't exalt him either. He invented the genre but I would argue he got surpassed in D&D design by 1981. I like the older D&D playstyle not the rules or the presentation of those rules.

Most of it had been purged by the time I started playing and I prefer 2E and B/X now and then. I would be more inclined to play a modernized 1.5 edition these days anyway.

I wouldn't he going on Twitter about it to generate controversy either. You're enabling someone I can't stand using his product. I don't wish death on anyone but won't be to upset reading an obituary for various people.
 
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So, EGG most likely wasn't an extreme example of sexist man FOR THAT PERIOD, and probably wouldn't have been tagged with the label by many people DURING THAT PERIOD
eh, he certainly was not ahead of the curve, I'd say he was considerably behind it, but yes, he was not the worst thing out there.

If you read Riggs' post, you would see that he was called out for it at the time

"The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response."

and replied with

"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So yeah, that puts that idea to rest...
 


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