D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Judging people from 1/2 a century ago with the social norms and mores of the present day is moral masturbation. Do you eat meat? Do you drive a car? Do you fly? In 50 years, will people look back and say, "How could they have done those things? Didn't they know about climate change? What monsters!" People are products of their times...including us. I'm not excusing the things Gygax et.al. said or believed, but have some perspective.

I don't see how comparing people discussing how what Gygax wrote was often highly misogynistic and that it's not acceptable in today's world to masturbation is not an attempt to excuse the behavior.
 

I get the "Pro-Gygaxian" outrage. Setting aside for a moment the arguments surrounding presentism, you have to decide to what degree you are going to assert pronouncements into a work, and that is especially true of works that present themselves as history. There's a point where a historical work can tip right over into being a political work as a result.
Are you saying that the authors could've chosen not to draw attention to sexist elements contained in early D&D, in a book in which written artifacts containing those elements are reproduced in full? I'm not sure there's actually much of a choice there. As a reader, I can say that if I came across something like that "women's lib" comment, I would be deeply troubled had the authors not highlighted it for discussion.
 


I mean, I'll point out that even then his views seemed beyond the norm and would (and did) stand out. Trying to dismiss them because it was a previous era misses that he didn't seem to change at all with age.

Again, I don't understand why people see the need to defend someone who has a convention in his honor like the guy doesn't get any credit or something. We should always be recognizing people's flaws, and in this case it was brought up because people were trying to dismiss and minimize it.
To be fair, many of the examples often cited to show sexism just aren’t good, like the Tiamat stuff in this thread as an example. I get why people would push back when that’s the kind of examples they are being given. But here we also have an indisputable gygax comment as really convincing evidence. That changes things, but I doubt everyone has seen that either.
 

Who cares? Why was this thread even needed on here to start with? If you you only wanted a curated response to this post, why bother putting it up. You know full well people are going to argue, but you make it seem like you want no arguments at all. It honestly feels like this was put up as a troll post to start heated arguments and threaten people to not get into them with a ban. Look, let's be honest here, the vast majority of people outside of the internet don't care what DnD was in the past; not do a lot of them care about what DnD is now. Hell, there are a lot more people that don't even know what DnD is at its core as a game. People are going to play this game no matter what its history is, or what its future holds. People 50 years in the future are going to look back at all the things we have done and go, WOW! people were naughty word back then! for some reason or another that we all are viewing as just a normal everyday thing to do or say. I don't understand this notion of treating previous generations like they were scum of the earth and chastize them for it when a lot of them aren't even around anymore. It's some weird superiority complex in my opinion. Who cares if he was sexist or not? There was more to the man than just being sexist. Why is there this weird social trend of reducing people down to nothing more than their "worst" aspects like there isn't an entirely complext person behind those aspects they just reduced down? (I put worst in quotes because there are some people that think some of the most nonsense things are horrible flaws when they really aren't. The internet is weird) I mean, it's fine to recognize that there were things we did in the past that werne't great, self reflection as a whole is fine, but why is there this need to treat whole generations like naughty word purely based on a few flaws? Does it make people feel better for some weird reason to do so? Does it make people feel superior like they are better somehow? I just don't get it. Okay, so the man was sexist, and? How does that effect me now 50 years in the future of when the game was made? What does that effect the way I play and played the game and how I run the game now? It doesn't effect me at all and it really doesn't effect anyone. The only ones worried about him being sexist like it means anything now are the ones that want to stir up trouble and for some reason stick it to the people that play the game, and the ones that for some reason worship the man.
 

To be fair, many of the examples often cited to show sexism just aren’t good, like the Tiamat stuff in this thread as an example. I get why people would push back when that’s the kind of examples they are being given. But here we also have an indisputable gygax comment as really convincing evidence. That changes things, but I doubt everyone has seen that either.

The Tiamat one is in conjunction with his own remarks on it. You can't bring that up without bringing up the "Women's Lib" comment, and you are really showing off you own biases without it.
 

Right, because that somehow makes it okay? You are stereotyping a large group of women as not only being mostly abused but succumbing to their abuse….
I’m criticizing a political movement for using abuse tactics to sustain itself. And yeah, I think that’s a perfectly ok thing to do.
I see. It’s bad because groups you dislike are part of that group. Makes more sense now.
It’s bad because the movement is not only rife with misogyny and abuse, but deeply reliant on those things for its continued existence.

Again, nothing wrong with choosing to be a housewife or househusband. I very much support people who make that decision, very literally in the case of my own partner of nearly 13 years, to whom I will soon be legally married. The tradwife movement is a very specific thing, distinct from people simply choosing to be housewives. It’s a movement that specifically enables and is held up by domestic abuse.
 

Who cares?

Uh, simple, a bunch of people who came in here for the sole purpose of asking "Who cares" in a massive paragraph. If you didn't care, you wouldn't post.

I also care because apparently there are a bunch of people who want Gary's history to be a hagiography that putting out what he did wrong is important, especially this stuff. Again, we're talking about a guy who has a yearly convention in his honor, so let's not act like it's not important to recognize his flaws. The fact that the backlash that triggered Riggs' thread was largely to a fairly harmless foreword in what is meant to be a look back at the history of D&D seems to make it even more important. People really don't like people mentioning it, which is probably why it needs to be.
 

Who cares? Why was this thread even needed on here to start with?
If you don't care, feel free to find a thread you do care about. There are thousands of threads here on all sorts of subjects. There's no need to angrily post in threads to tell us how much you don't care about them.

If you you only wanted a curated response to this post, why bother putting it up. You know full well people are going to argue, but you make it seem like you want no arguments at all. It honestly feels like this was put up as a troll post to start heated arguments and threaten people to not get into them with a ban. Look, let's be honest here, the vast majority of people outside of the internet don't care what DnD was in the past; not do a lot of them care about what DnD is now. Hell, there are a lot more people that don't even know what DnD is at its core as a game. People are going to play this game no matter what its history is, or what its future holds. People 50 years in the future are going to look back at all the things we have done and go, WOW! people were naughty word back then! for some reason or another that we all are viewing as just a normal everyday thing to do or say. I don't understand this notion of treating previous generations like they were scum of the earth and chastize them for it when a lot of them aren't even around anymore. It's some weird superiority complex in my opinion. Who cares if he was sexist or not? There was more to the man than just being sexist. Why is there this weird social trend of reducing people down to nothing more than their "worst" aspects like there isn't an entirely complext person behind those aspects they just reduced down? (I put worst in quotes because there are some people that think some of the most nonsense things are horrible flaws when they really aren't. The internet is weird) I mean, it's fine to recognize that there were things we did in the past that werne't great, self reflection as a whole is fine, but why is there this need to treat whole generations like naughty word purely based on a few flaws? Does it make people feel better for some weird reason to do so? Does it make people feel superior like they are better somehow? I just don't get it. Okay, so the man was sexist, and? How does that effect me now 50 years in the future of when the game was made? What does that effect the way I play and played the game and how I run the game now? It doesn't effect me at all and it really doesn't effect anyone. The only ones worried about him being sexist like it means anything now are the ones that want to stir up trouble and for some reason stick it to the people that play the game, and the ones that for some reason worship the man.

But since I'm always trying to be helpful, in answer to your question, apparently you care. Quite strongly, it seems. Hope that answers your question!
 

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