D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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You have also repeatedly demanded that we tell you why the art you like is bad and why the art produced in 2024 is good...

Neither of which has literally anything to do with Gygax, his comments, or the history of DnD book covering 1970 to 1977. Yet that has been your entire focus for the last six posts, and before that it was demanding to know why we hate filled people must hate you with our hatred when all you want is to bring us together and is that so bad? Which also has nothing to do with the fact that Gygax was a self-proclaimed sexist, and saying "Gygax was sexist" isn't some Sword of Damocles that shall forever destroy the memory and legacy of DnD.
I don't recall making any demands of anyone, weird. And...
 

Okay, so why imply that people in this thread are being hypocritical if you do not hold that any of us are being hypocritical? Seems like a rather strange thing to do.
I didn’t. I spoke about how I read your hypothetical example as being a hypothetical example of accused hypocrisy. I even left the door wide open that the person saying ‘what about Wotc’ could be wrong in their accusation of hypocrisy for a myriad of reasons - just reasons other than making the hypocrisy accusation by using the phrase ‘but what about’.
And yes, you did imply it.
I’m sorry you got lost in hypotheticals brought up to discuss a different issue. Hopefully my clarification helps.
 



I don't recall making any demands of anyone, weird. And...

Mod note:
Maybe not. But, having read through, what you are doing does look a lot like trolling.

We should probably see what happens to the discussion if you aren't in it....

Everyone else should take from this that continued participation in this discussion is not guaranteed, and you should weigh how you choose to engage carefully.
 

I didn’t. I spoke about how I read your hypothetical example as being a hypothetical example of accused hypocrisy. I even left the door wide open that the person saying ‘what about Wotc’ could be wrong in their accusation of hypocrisy for a myriad of reasons - just reasons other than making the hypocrisy accusation by using the phrase ‘but what about’.

I’m sorry you got lost in hypotheticals brought up to discuss a different issue. Hopefully my clarification helps.

I see, so this was only about my hypothetical example and how it might be read as an example of hypocrisy...

And yet..
The difference between whataboutism and hypocrisy isn’t clear to me.

You first responded about not being clear on the difference between the two before my examples. And, looking at the post you were responding to...

And those things happened recently. They are not part of a history book. Additionally, a bunch of "fans" haven't come out of the shadows of the internet to attack any historians writing those books that do not yet exist.

Is this just a "whataboutism"? How can we possibly be upset with a bunch of people demanding that Gygax must have been a perfect human being when we aren't spending all of our time decrying every action WoTC has ever made?

I never brought up hypocrisy at all. I never accused any one of hypocrisy. You were the one to first bring it up. And it seems that perhaps your point was something entirely different...

So taking your first example, ‘Gygax was sexist, but what about Wotc’. That to me reads as an insinuation of hypocrisy.

To me the ‘whataboutism’ remark reads as the deflection of the point that Gygax and Wotc aren’t being treated the same by the one claiming gygax was so bad. Now maybe there’s legit reasons for this, like one can’t condemn everything all at once, but maybe there aren’t.

Because this point does seem to imply heavily that my calling out the whataboutism is somehow a deflection of some true point that Gygax and WoTC are being treated differently. Which, of course, since we are discussing Gygax, not WotC, bringing up "but what about how you treat WoTC" is... a whataboutism. Which, to give the definition this time instead of examples: whataboutism, the rhetorical practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether. Whataboutism often serves to reduce the perceived plausibility or seriousness of the original accusation or question by suggesting that the person advancing it is hypocritical or that the responder’s misbehavior is not unique or unprecedented.

WoTC is not the subject of this thread. WoTC has nothing to do with what Gary Gygax said or did. If my history serves me correctly, he wasn't even in charge of TSR when WoTC finally bought the company and he was never an employee of theirs or their CEO, President or any other position. WoTC has nothing at all in any way to do with Gygax's Sexism. All it is, is an attempt to distract from discussing Gygax, by trying to force people to defend WoTC. But, quite obviously, WoTC and its behavior have no bearing on this discussion.
 

I prefer to call it out but balance it with the broader effect of the legacy.
I have The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons: 1970-1977 right next to me. A beautiful 567 page ode to the beginning of the hobby, told through rare and often never before seen (at least for the wider public) original documents. Three paragraphs in the Preface gives a heads up of some of the problematic content, both the content that is the subject of this thread as well as some of the early IP issues. The bulk of the 567 pages are copies of documents with the occasional paragraph or two giving some context. Occasionally, it may call out something in the documents that would be seen as problematic today, but we are talking about a few sentences of an over two-pound, 567-page book. Most of the commentary of the book focuses on the impact of these early creators in bringing forth a new hobby and seeing the beginnings of ideas that would impact the wider culture.

A few short call outs, balanced by much more content on the broader effect of the legacy, is exactly what this book did. Actually, most of the book is just presenting the original documents and letting them speak for themselves. This isn't a history book or collection of essays like most D&D history books, it is making original documents available to historians and fans that would otherwise be mouldering in WoTC archives, curated by a professional historian, and presented beautifully.

Those rising to defend Gary's legacy are the ones who are cherry picking and presenting an unbalanced view. I can understand why some of the old guard who knew and were friends with Gary may be moved to defend him, but they are doing so poorly, bringing more attention to this than the book itself does, and are doing more harm to Gary's legacy than this book or any of the histories have done.
 
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I see, so this was only about my hypothetical example and how it might be read as an example of hypocrisy...

And yet..


You first responded about not being clear on the difference between the two before my examples. And, looking at the post you were responding to...



I never brought up hypocrisy at all. I never accused any one of hypocrisy. You were the one to first bring it up. And it seems that perhaps your point was something entirely different...
Right. I took your hypothetical example of ‘what about wotc’ to be an attempt at answering my question about the difference between whataboutism and an accusation hypocrisy. But the example didn’t clear anything up for me and I was attempting to explain why the example didn’t clear it up for me.
Because this point does seem to imply heavily that my calling out the whataboutism is somehow a deflection of some true point that Gygax and WoTC are being treated differently. Which, of course, since we are discussing Gygax, not WotC, bringing up "but what about how you treat WoTC" is... a whataboutism.
1. I’m not claiming that Gary and Wotc are being treated differently. That part was solely from the hypothetical example you gave.

For the rest, See below.

by suggesting that the person advancing it is hypocritical or that the responder’s misbehavior is not unique or unprecedented.
thanks for the definition, but looks like I’m mostly right about whataboutism being an accusation of hypocrisy.

WoTC is not the subject of this thread. WoTC has nothing to do with what Gary Gygax said or did. If my history serves me correctly, he wasn't even in charge of TSR when WoTC finally bought the company and he was never an employee of theirs or their CEO, President or any other position. WoTC has nothing at all in any way to do with Gygax's Sexism. All it is, is an attempt to distract from discussing Gygax, by trying to force people to defend WoTC. But, quite obviously, WoTC and its behavior have no bearing on this discussion.
I don’t find the best response to dealing with accusations of hypocrisy to be to essentially claim that others are wrong to point out hypocrisy. That to me comes across as a deflection much more than an accusation of hypocrisy that starts with ‘what about’.

So yea. I don’t guess I will ever get where this whole ‘whataboutism bad’ stuff comes from, but at least I know I’m not missing something important about it. Thanks.
 
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