D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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Gygax wasn't a "Product of his Time" any more than Robert E. Howard or Howard Phillips Lovecraft. Both of whom were called out, in their time, for being way too racist. Like so racist as to be upsetting to other people who were also raised in the same racist environments. In the 20s and 30s. In New England -and- in freaking Texas.
Absolutely, it isn't about time, it's about environment, upbringing, and personality.

Woman's rights was already a movement a lifetime before GG was born, a woman's right to vote in the US was established nationally in 1920, GG was born in 1938. And the WLM was already a 'thing' for a decade when they made D&D. Just the WLM existing gives you a very good indication that there was an issue at that time and place (US). Just reading some of the stuff from GG and compatriots clearly show that these folks aren't 'enlightened', and that is not an issue just from that time, we still have that issue. We see it here and elsewhere.

On one hand I think that Death is the great equalizer and these people will die out naturally... However harsh that might sound. But when I look at US politics and even local Dutch politics, these kinds of people keep popping up, this isn't an issue with time, this is an issue with people and the environment they seem to thrive in.

We've had Holocaust deniers, so that there are people that deny that GG & crew where X and Y isn't all that surprising. Playing keyboard warrior seems to be a favorite past time on both sides of the fence... Ignoring Twitter and Facebook is quite easy... Just don't go there!

Personally trying to convince these kinds of people to think differently is a waste of my time and effort. I'll just ignore them and they'll die eventually anyway. I think it's better to invest in the next generation, RPGs that are aimed at a younger generation. Chances are that those will never touch 0D&D as a serious main RPG. D&D6e is probably something that the next generation will grow in naturally and if D&D5.5e is any indication (and the rewriting of settings the last decade), then WotC/Hasbro is overcompensating hard. Which is not all that strange when they're trying to reach as many people as possible, offend as few as possible, that also shows that people that are offended by their 'wokeness' is an irrelevant minority to their bottom line, not surprising, these folks don't buy the new 5e products and they are dying out. A bigger issue is that WotC/Hasbro are now turning away young people due to their big bad corp image...

As for the chaotic evil dragon queen... Somehow I'm imagining GG in drag with a crown on his head playing the dragon queen in his basement... ;)
 

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It's a fair article but I have one point of contention: Tiamat is a Sumerian goddess, she was a dragon and she personified chaos so Gygax and Kuntz were following actual mythology with the Queen of the Dragons. Doesn't take away from the idea it is inherently sexist but they chose a goddess who was the mother of dragons, chaos, commanded monsters, to be their evil queen.
Tiamat was Babylonian/Akkadian. Akkadians and Sumerians are not the same. Sumerian is a linguistic isolate, whereas Akkadian is a Semitic language of the East Semitic branch. Akkadian vocabulary, syntax, and writing were influenced by the older Sumerian culture; nevertheless, they are different languages and cultures. While some gods were borrowed from the Sumerian mythos and cults, Tiamat likely was not.

FYI, gods usually have a divine determinative as part of their names in cuneiform. Interestingly enough, neither Tiamat nor Apsû have one in the Enuma Elish. I also believe that Anshar, i.e., the god/personification of the primordial heavens, didn't have one either. This lack of divine determinative is usually reflective of a lack of actual worship, which was generally the case for primordial powers.

"Tiamat was always female!" Yup. Why'd he choose Tiamat, who was once a river goddess that the Babylonians and Akkadians altered from the initial Sumerian myths into a monstrous force their chief deity would go on to slay in order to dismantle matriarchal religious groups and portray them as both weaker and wicked? You know, rather than literally any other entity or even a character of his own design?
I think that you are asserting all of this with confidence and certainty far beyond what any reputable contemporary Assyriologists would likely say on the matter.
 

Tiamat is a Sumerian goddess, she was a dragon and she personified chaos so Gygax and Kuntz were following actual mythology with the Queen of the Dragons.
The quote text didn't actually use the name Tiamat. And if Tiamat the Mesopotamian deity was depicted as a dragon or serpent is seriously up for debate. And while she did spawn 'monsters', including 'Dragons', but she also birthed the other Mesopotamian gods. And what exactly made her 'evil' in mythology? Or making her less strong then the male 'good' god of dragons?

The sexism displayed isn't from Mesopotamian religion (although there was that there as well), but just the depiction of her within D&D. The issue is not Mesopotamian religion, it's the interpertation GG gave it.

Not only his sexism but was an acceptable joke at that time in popular culture. So it was an inherent cultural phenomenon.
Just because it was an acceptable joke (for some) at that time in popular culture to use the N word, doesn't suddenly make it allright.

I also can make a joke, and depending on context can be very acceptable or very unacceptable. It all depends on context and here it isn't great.
 

This is a bit ridic. GG was a known sexist and this did sneak into the books, but certainly not for the Tiamat example. Tiamat is historically a female god from Babylonian mythology. I am all for PC and respect, but if you accept this as a "trope" are we now going to make Takhisis a male in Dragonlance?!
The Tiamat example is necessary as context for the women’s lib remark that Gygax makes later.

Riggs explains this in the actual article, if you read it.
 

On that specific topic it doesn’t.
and that is what makes ‘but what about WotC’ unrelated and a deflection

But if the framed question was, why are you singling out gygax when Wotc has just as bad of a track record (what about wotc).
It wasn’t though. The book clearly is not about WotC, the discussion is not about WotC or a comparison between the two either

Bringing up WotC is changing the topic of the discussion, it is a deflection
 

A lot seems to hinge on what precisely you mean by unrelated issue. It’s certainly not a term I used. Can you please define what precisely you mean by that?
An issue not related to the topic. It's exactly what it says on the tin.
No major disagreements here.

On that specific topic it doesn’t. And just to be clear I agreed that the worst of those comments made Gygax a sexist troll.

But if the framed question was, why are you singling out gygax when Wotc has just as bad of a track record (what about wotc). I think the hypocrisy and fairness questions apply there. There’s probably some very fine answers to that as well. Maybe Gygax was worse or, I’m talking about Gygax because there was recently a book about his misdeeds. Etc.
What I’m saying is that any good answer to that question is much better than simply telling the person they shouldn’t ask it.
But that isn't the question. The book is called The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977. Wizards of the Coast did not even exist until 1990, 13 years after the time period covered in the book. It did not acquire TSR until 1997, a full 20 years after the time period covered by the book. WotC's failings, whatever they may be, have nothing to do with a discussion about Gygax in the 1970s or even about Gygax in the mid-to-late 2000s, since he'd stopped being involved with TSR in 1986.

Also, and this shouldn't need to be said, it's pretty clear that whatever WotC's problems they're not nearly as bad on the issue of sexism as Gygax. Insofar as they do have issues there, that just shows how the sexism which was, unfortunately, baked into the game and its culture in the beginning by Gygax and others of his ilk still remain.
If one is reporting on d&d history and reports on all the bad things one guy does but never any from the other that might be unfair, not sure that’s happening here given the scope of the work in question and this single instance but it could be, only time will tell.

No idea, I’m certainly no expert in gygax. I think they gathered enough to show his sexism even if some of the ‘evidence’ presented was fairly weak. Some was really compelling.

*funny story: everytime I write gygax my autocorrect tries to fix it with ‘hugs’.
Weird how you aren't able to give straightforward answers to straightforward questions. If I were the suspicious-minded sort I might draw inferences from that. Their book covers the making of original D&D during the years 1970 through 1977. To help make it clear what the book is about, they've helpfully titled it The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977. Riggs is defending that book. As a reminder, I asked if Peterson, Tondro, or Riggs being unfair, or not? I also asked what relevant information might have been left out. Your answer to both questions is, as best I can tell, a shrug.
 

I don't really care about what Gary said just pushing back about "Product of their time" comment. There were better attitudes around but it was far from universal in USA let alone other countries.
there were better attitudes around, I’d even say Gygax was worse than the average person rather than just worse than the best of them.

At what point do you go from ‘product of their time’ to ‘yup, that is on him’? There are plenty of murderers, probably many of them from poor families and broken homes. Does that make them a product of their time?

Does being a product of their time actually make it ok and absolve him completely? Even though others of his time had better attitudes as you say?
 

This is a bit ridic. GG was a known sexist and this did sneak into the books, but certainly not for the Tiamat example.
I do not think we can say that with certainty. That is the problem with him being a sexist.

It is certainly not the most sexist thing he did, and you maybe can defend it with pointing at mythology that inspired him, but it is not a straight copy of that mythology and even then you could wonder why he picked specifically that mythology for it, out of the many that exist
 

At what point do you go from ‘product of their time’ to ‘yup, that is on him’?

I would say it’s at the point that you choose to publish it in a product that is going to represent you and the company you own. These were rules that he wanted the entire hobby to see. The interview in Europa wasn’t like a “hot-mic” moment. It was a carefully thought out response to criticism.
 

there were better attitudes around, I’d even say Gygax was worse than the average person rather than just worse than the best of them.

At what point do you go from ‘product of their time’ to ‘yup, that is on him’? There are plenty of murderers, probably many of them from poor families and broken homes. Does that make them a product of their time?

Does being a product of their time actually make it ok and absolve him completely? Even though others of his time had better attitudes as you say?

If I'm trying to avoid work and am pondering things like this, I sometimes try to imagine what percentile of badness I would put them at relative to their contemporaries. I generally put active policy making pushers of bad things as the worst.

The discussion on EGG above covers a wide range of times - and what goes at the different percentiles changed a lot from the 1940s to 1970s to 2000s.
 

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