D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Definitely the soul brother of Art & Arcana. The two deserve a place on the shelf next to each other, along with the Original Adventures Reincarnated series.

Lore & Legends disappeared into my son's room. Probably under his bed somewhere.
Worlds & Realms is pretty exciting, though.
 

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Worlds & Realms is pretty exciting, though.
Yeah, and to be fair, Lore & Legends is not that bad. Yes, its a bit corporate pat on the back, but is no worse than the many similar fan service books for movies, TV series, and other Fandoms. Still fun to browse through to be reminded of my D&D journey over the past 10 years.
 

wait, can I still love the art of Frazetta, Elmore, et. al without being sexist person? Can I admire beautiful, pumped, voluptuous bodies in fantasy action without being a bigot?

Can I love the art if I do not ascribe to the ism or bigotry or the politics of the artist?

Should I burn my art books?
I'm a bit slow catching up in the thread, but, this, right here, is such a big point.

See, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with liking what you like. Not a problem.

The problem comes when it's pointed out that artists like Frazetta are pretty sexist in their depictions of women and then you immediately leap to the defense of Frazetta and denounce any criticism. If you can show, through evidence and critique, that Frazetta wasn't actually sexist and the criticisms aren't compelling, that's fine. Go right ahead. But, that's generally not what happens. It's the old stand by of, "Well, it's a product of the time" or "He really liked women" or "Well, it's not bothering ME, so, what's the problem?"

It's the shopping list of defenses people make to try to show that something isn't bad, racist, bigoted, misogynistic or whatever, simply because they happen to like it.

THAT'S the problem.
 

Yeah, and to be fair, Lore & Legends is not that bad. Yes, its a bit corporate pat on the back, but is no worse than the many similar fan service books for movies, TV series, and other Fandoms. Still fun to browse through to be reminded of my D&D journey over the past 10 years.
I didn't get it because it made no sense to me to buy a book of 5E art to shelve next to my 5E books with all the same art and more.
 

I'm a bit slow catching up in the thread, but, this, right here, is such a big point.

See, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with liking what you like. Not a problem.

The problem comes when it's pointed out that artists like Frazetta are pretty sexist in their depictions of women and then you immediately leap to the defense of Frazetta and denounce any criticism. If you can show, through evidence and critique, that Frazetta wasn't actually sexist and the criticisms aren't compelling, that's fine. Go right ahead. But, that's generally not what happens. It's the old stand by of, "Well, it's a product of the time" or "He really liked women" or "Well, it's not bothering ME, so, what's the problem?"

It's the shopping list of defenses people make to try to show that something isn't bad, racist, bigoted, misogynistic or whatever, simply because they happen to like it.

THAT'S the problem.

You. I LIKE you. Let's get married; I'm sure my wife won't mind!

ARRRRGGH! SUCH PAIN!

I was wrong! She did mind!
 

The god of evil dragons being female and the god of good dragons being male is not, in and of itself, sexist. But the “women’s lib” comment suggests that the choice was made as an intentional statement about female power. Or, reading as charitably as possible, that he was hyper-conscious about the possibility of being interpreted that way, and rather than make a different choice, decided to make a dismissive comment towards these hypothetical critics.

I think the charitable reading is a little more believable, but I tend to be more charitable than people deserve.

I tend to think nearly everything Gygax published through the mid to late 70s was initially created for his own campaign, and I doubt he considered anything about how the people at his table might think about the symbolism of a dragon queen's gender. Still, he was aware enough to notice that he might be criticized for making an evil queen, and chose to defend his creation by attacking the critics. Not exactly the high road.

Either way, it is simply one example among many, and not even the only one used in the tweet thread under discussion.

It is one example among many, but to me why that's weird Riggs relies on it so much. Like he lists the names and stats, showing that Tiamat is a CE villain, which by itself is kind of whatever. Then shows the women's lib dismissal. Then circles back at the end as if to say, "See! Chaotic means evil! He was making Tiamat double evil!" while kind of ignoring the really bizarre development of alignment in general that draws from Three Hearts Three Lions and Elric.

Yeah, Tiamat was a real world goddess so Gygax didn't 'make her female'. Also, she was less powerful than Bahamut because the evil dragons were less powerful than the good ones. It wasn't a gender thing.

Well, I will say that Gygax could simply have used a different legendary serpent. It didn't have to be Tiamat. Leviathan, Jormungandr, Fafnir, Amphisbaena, Ur, or Tarasque could have worked, too. Amphisbaena might even have been a more appropriate name. It's certainly closer in head count. He could have made Bahamut evil and Quetzalcoatl the good dragon deity. It's not like Gygax is famously good about mythological or historical accuracy.

I don't think it's a good example of D&D being sexist. It's an example of just Gary being sexist. Not because Tiamat is female or CE. Just because he took a swing. Hm. Maybe there's Riggs' point in choosing what he did.
 

Huh? Having lived and worked in various countries around the world and in incredibly diverse workplaces, I would say its the human condition. Social change comes in fits and starts, in all societies.
You're not wrong. But we were specifically talking about layoffs that happen at the end of the year, around Christmastime. It happens so often in America that we have a dubious nickname for it, "Red December." I wasn't sure if that happens in other countries or not.
 
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Castigating Gygax for his sexism isn't going to make future people less sexist.
Constant softening and justifying of his sexism will embolden current and future sexists. That's the point of the exercise.


Edit: And recall: this is not a 'trout of righteousness' moment or whatever term we need to use to again make light of and mock the situation. This is a furor over history book reporting history. On one page of a full sized book. Because that's where we've gotten letting these excuses go through all the time.
 

The problem comes when it's pointed out that artists like Frazetta are pretty sexist in their depictions of women and then you immediately leap to the defense of Frazetta and denounce any criticism. If you can show, through evidence and critique, that Frazetta wasn't actually sexist and the criticisms aren't compelling, that's fine. Go right ahead. But, that's generally not what happens. It's the old stand by of, "Well, it's a product of the time" or "He really liked women" or "Well, it's not bothering ME, so, what's the problem?"

I have a hypothesis.

The unstated logic of some of these reactions is something like "I like this. If they're right - if this has sexism in it, and I like it, what's that say about me?"

Growing up, most of us just played this fun game because our friends did or because we liked Lord of the Rings or thought dragons were cool. And if it's wrong - if it's immoral - then we have been immoral for a good long time. What we like, what makes us us, is something that was hurting people.

That's not a comfortable thought.

And this guy comes along and makes us confront it. Shows you all these people who did not just play the fun dragon game, but who saw parts of it as harmful, and rejected those parts (or the whole thing!). Other perspectives, other decisions, other people who made a decision you didn't make - to question the thing. They found something worth rejecting that you didn't reject! When your sense of self is wrapped up in loving this flawed thing, rejecting its flaws can feel like rejecting part of yourself.

Wouldn't it be better if we all just quietly agreed not to ask? Not to look? To excuse it away, to make it OK to love the thing again? Why do we have to be challenged here? Why do we need to investigate and think critically and imagine others' experiences and doubt and question? That's all SO MUCH WORK! I just want to play my magical elf game! I'm normal! I shouldn't have to think about this!

Even if you put in the work and get to a place where you still love D&D (or Frazetta or Lovecraft or Harry Potter whatever), being made to put in that work is something a lot of people resent, because it's a high-stakes question they're being invited to consider. To look at themselves, to judge themselves, to walk that hard path of self-criticism.

What they said was "Gygax was a sexist," but what some folks felt was that they said "You're a bad person." And forced them to consider things critically, when they didn't really want to put in that effort today.
 
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You're not wrong. But we were specifically talking about layoffs that happen at the end of the year, around Christmastime. It happens so often in America that we have a dubious nickname for it, "Red December." I wasn't sure if that happens in other countries or not.
Ah, sorry. Totally was not replying to the discussion your were having. Lots of sub-discussions in this thread, I got them mixed up.
 

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