D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Look, folks, we know how a conversation like this goes on the internet. Because, internet. Read the rules you agreed to before replying. The banhammer will be used on those who don't do what they agreed to.
 

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In fact, it's such an obvious truth that one wonders how it furthers the conversation to bring it up, unless it's being offered up as something more than a mere causal explanation for why Gygax was the way he was. Again, I'm not saying you're trying to do more than offer an explanation. What I am saying is that when I read someone saying "Gygax was a product of his time," I basically have two ways to understand it: either the person saying it is saying something so obvious as to be unremarkable and unilluminating, or they're offering it up as a way of excusing his conduct. And what's more, people who argue in bad faith will often start by trying to excuse the conduct and then move to "I'm just trying to explain it!" as a rhetorical gambit. Once again: I am not making any accusations here. I do not think that you, @Zardnaar , are arguing in bad faith. What I am doing is explaining why I, and others like me, react strongly to people saying "Gygax was a product of his time."
IMO, there's a third reason to bring it up, and I imagine the reason most of us here have keep bringing it up - because people keep acting like it's not true when it is or doesn't matter at all when it does. Sexism was far more prevalent and accepted in Gygax's time. Doesn't mean Gygax wasn't a sexist. Doesn't exonerate him for being one either.

We know that many of his contemporaries managed to avoid adopting his attitudes,
And yet we also know that many of his contemporaries did adopt his attitudes.
and we know that he continued to hold them into the 2000s and, most likely, until his death. By this time, the culture had changed, so if Gygax were a mere product of his time, a rudderless ship drifting to and fro, driven by the winds of prevailing opinion,
I don't understand this criticism. The notion of being a product of a different time doesn't imply that if you live long enough you become a product of a more recent time. It's a phrase that encapsulates your life experiences, especially from much earlier years, especially those life experiences during your most formative years. In 2000's Gary being in his 70's was still the product of a different time.
he presumably would have changed with it—but he didn't.
I don't think that's presumable at all. I think it's much more presumable that people don't typically change long held beliefs.
 

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I clarified what I meant in a later post and also went back and edited the original in an attempt to make it less ambiguous. What I meant was that if he had been born 50 years later, in 1988, and had been writing his opinion of women in 2024 instead of 1974, he might have either had a different viewpoint or at least have phrased it a bit more tactfully. But then again, maybe he would have felt exactly the same. We don't know and can never know, so I'm happy to just drop that speculative point, but I do want to explain what the point actually was.
See my previous post where he's also outright stated to have been a racist even by 80s standards...

And also:

Personality predates Ideology. He -probably- wouldn't have been an avowed sexist if he was born in 1988.

He'd be a homophobe and transphobe, instead. Because of the degree to which society tolerates those ideas compared to sexism in the modern day, but also compared to sexism in the 70s.

The man was a jerk at heart. It's why he didn't examine his biases and instead doubled down and looked for ideologies, religions, or pseudoscience to reinforce his bogus bigoted position rather than grow and learn like most people do. If he were born in 1988 he'd still be a jerk at heart. He'd just be attacking different targets.
 

Well, let's see if we can come to a productive understanding here. What am I not making clear? Which parts of what I posted read as defense or approval to you? When I say that people might word things differently if there are social consequences, are you taking that as a statement that I don't believe he truly meant what he said?

“At most, I'm saying that the lack of social consequences meant that he took less care in phrasing his thoughts and perhaps if he were [the same age but] writing today, he wouldn't have put it in exactly the terms he did. But then again, maybe he would. We have no way of knowing.”

I don’t know what you’re arguing for anymore. Does tempering one’s speech because you sense a backlash really enough if the accusation is sexism and misogyny? Is it not equally fair to say that privately he may have still harbored the same feelings and these come out in wrong-headed statements about biological determinism?

You’ve brought up that he wouldn’t have received social consequences. And yet, the article states that he did receive blowback - enough that he decided to lash out in the Europa interview. What do you consider to be enough social consequences? Is it as long as you find someone, anyone willing to agree with you? If so, I find that an impossible bar to clear.
 
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Openly, broadly, willfully sexist 'til the end of his days. Complaining about "Politically Correct Persons" in 2005.
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And always eager to double down. All the way to the end.
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Gary Gygax poo-pooing the idea that all people are created equal and should be treated fairly.

We're not claiming that stuff wasn't said

What I'm saying it even with those comments he would still be father if the year material comparatively. I just experienced the drunken rage part of things. I saw and experienced so much worse than Gary's comments 10-20 years after those quotes. Those men and some women were contemporary with him. And they weren't the worst examples.

What the law says and what happens are right different things. You're vastly over stating how unacceptable at time those statements were. Alot worse was said and let slide . My last horror story would date from
2000. I left my home town in 2000.
 

Popular and Common are the same thing. The opinion held by the majority of the populace. This is a nonsensical distinction.

Common is unremarkable, or possibly average.

A lot of forward looking notions associated with the 70s were coming into their own in certain parts of the USA in the 70s. GG was 36 in 1974, so he wasn't a kid. I was surprised by reading Ben's book that GG was a Jehovah's Witness.
 

We're not claiming tgat stuff wasn't said

What I'm saying it even with those comments he would still be father if the year material comparatively. I just experienced the drunken rage part of things. I saw and experienced so much worse than Gary's comments 10-20 years after thise quotes. Those men and some women were contemporary with him. And they weren't the worst examples.

What the law says and what happens are right different things. You're vastly over stating how unacceptable at time those statements were. Alot worse was said and let slide . My last horror story would date from
2000. I left my home town in 2000.
I’m sorry but none of this is relevant in the slightest. Nobody is accusing Gygax of being abusive. Nobody is accusing him of being a bad father.
 

Here's a thought. It's late and I've not fully vetted it but -

What if for some the notion of Gygax being a product of his time isn't to excuse his sexism, but rather to excuse D&D for being made by a sexist?
 

Common is unremarkable, or possibly average.

A lot of forward looking notions associated with the 70s were coming into their own in certain parts of the USA in the 70s. GG was 36 in 1974, so he wasn't a kid. I was surprised by reading Ben's book that GG was a Jehovah's Witness.

Ding ding. We proably can't go to far down that path.
 

But I'm not defending him! What I said is that his views probably sound more extreme viewed through the prism of today than they did in the 1970s because public opinion has shifted in the past 50 years.
that they sound more extreme today is a given

I don't mean to say that his statements weren't borderline in the 1970s
but you do exactly that
And I think he sounds "really sexist" by today's standards, but he wasn't that much of an outlier in the mid-1970s.
I do disagree that his views were particularly rare or extreme for the time.


I mentioned that I don't like it in an attempt to refute the idea that I was excusing it.
you can not like it and still excuse it, much of what you write very much does sound like excusing it to me, and given the replies you are getting I’d say to others as well
 
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that they sound more extreme today is a given


but you do exactly that





you cannot like it and still excuse it, much of what you write very much does sound like excusing it to me, and given the replies you are getting I’d say to others as well
I'm struggling to understand how saying sexism was prevalent in the 1970's can be viewed as an excuse for Gygax's sexism. Maybe it's something extremely simple like - any attempt to provide context that doesn't paint Gygax in the worst possible light is being viewed as excusing him? Or better yet, maybe instead of me guessing, you can just elaborate?
 

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