D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Page after page of trying to “contextualize” Gygax’s words.

Yet virtually no time at all spent actually contextualize what started this discussion in the first place.

Oh right. Because everyone pretty much agrees that the reaction to the forword in a history book was wrong.

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I'm aware. Main point is if people still say that now it woukd gave been a lot worse then.

All I'm saying is people are severely over estimating the degree of Garry's comments. Alot was swept under the ru or behind closed doors.

Uh, by this logic wouldn't Gary still likely be worse simply because if everyone says worse stuff behind closed doors, wouldn't Gary also say worse stuff behind closed doors? I mean, I do believe that he probably did, and I feel like that matches up to what that one dude said about how the community kind of knew and wasn't down with his views on women.

People here are saying that if you xan find anyone in various tine frame that match up with modern views they were right.

No one's saying that. In fact, people are saying that his views were out of sync back in the 70's and that he didn't change much in the interim. This isn't a judgement on the past from the future, but rather saying that he was out of line even back then.

From a moral argument maybe. Doesn't mean the rest of society followed those people.

Nor does it suddenly make Gary's views mainstream, either. Again, we have his own comments (which are pretty bad, especially given that he openly calls himself a sexist) and people saying that his views were extreme for the time. That is more powerful than your unsupported assertion.

If my argument is wrong there's plenty of other legacy media available which gives you an idea of what was actually acceptable. Sure you'll find detractors. I used revenge of the nerds as an example. There's plenty of more however and there's other examples and Hollywood was notorious for the casting couch. And Woody Allen.

And @Steampunkette already kind of made the point that while problematic those dudes also didn't go around screaming that they were sexist. Talking about real examples of abuse also doesn't work here because most people would be put off by that stuff if they knew about it: the acceptability of the casting couch was because it was kept from view, not because the average joe knew about it.

No one's claiming it's right but it as common enough. 80s in a way was worse because raunchy comedies became more common post 1975. Older movies might have various offensive tropes depicted but weren't trying to shove it in your face like those movies (RotN, Police Academy, Animal House etc).

Yeah, again, those movies don't go around embracing the idea of being regressive like Gary was, nor do they hold views like "Women are built to not have fun in the same way men are". You're trying to conflate two different kinds of problematic into one because that's the only way you can really find an excuse for Gary here.

If it wasn't more acceptable then how cone those mass media items got made? Over Sci fi is also full of it and D&D cheesecake art was far from the only examples.

... Because those mass media things didn't say what Gary said? This argument is inane: anyone proclaiming themselves a sexist in a movie would instantly be termed the bad guy, even in the 1970s. That's not something the good guy would do, just as someone proclaiming themselves a racist would be looked at as the bad guy.

On the scale of reactionary stupid crap Gary the diet coke of it. Look at old Sci fi covers, fantasy, western movies, shows Asterix and Obleix, cartoons, toys.

Uh, I would debate that. There's plenty of problematic media, but the interactions people talk about with Gary, especially towards women, are pretty f***ing bad.

That's the main point. Yes it was offensive ultimately most of it faded away outside of satire or other countries. I wasn't offensive enough not to get made is the big point. A liberal movie in 1990 (Dances with Wolves) is tomorrow's white savior trope and Forrest Gump is tomorrow's boomer fantasy Disneyland.

Your main point seems largely to be to deflect and find other things to try and say that "Well, Gary wasn't as bad as this and how could he be bad if they let this in theaters!" without actually dealing with what he said as well as what people seemed to think of it. This whole line of logic doesn't hold together past the first step: just because Revenge of the Nerds has a bunch of terrible stuff in it doesn't suddenly mean that Gary's stuff wasn't necessarily more terrible, especially given the stuff he said in 2005.

My country got to the 1960s a lot earlier than the USA. Problem was it stayed there until the mid 80's.

Okay, dude, I'm telling you as someone from the US who teaches history that you really don't know as much as you think you do about us.
 

Thanks for your insight Hussar! I have absolutely ZERO interest in. defending. or not defending anyone about their bigotry, racism, etc. I can enjoy a work of literature or art. without needing. to like the artist (Lovecraft comes to mind). Frazetta is one of my favorite fantasy artists, as. is Michal Jackson, so you know where this is going.

Im not going to cancel a favorite artist. for they're uninformed or personal. political views.

Also, please don't cancel me because like big muscles and big asses in my fantasy art. Oh, Im also aware of my own racial and cultural biases & will always try to do better. Thank you :)
Nobody is talking about canceling anybody: I just bought this $100 with Gygax and Arneson's stuff in it, that WptC just published. They calmly pointed out that they did not endorse every idea in the text, and now there is a frakout over that careful nuanced take going down.
 

Uh, by this logic wouldn't Gary still likely be worse simply because if everyone says worse stuff behind closed doors, wouldn't Gary also say worse stuff behind closed doors? I mean, I do believe that he probably did, and I feel like that matches up to what that one dude said about how the community kind of knew and wasn't down with his views on women.



No one's saying that. In fact, people are saying that his views were out of sync back in the 70's and that he didn't change much in the interim. This isn't a judgement on the past from the future, but rather saying that he was out of line even back then.



Nor does it suddenly make Gary's views mainstream, either. Again, we have his own comments (which are pretty bad, especially given that he openly calls himself a sexist) and people saying that his views were extreme for the time. That is more powerful than your unsupported assertion.



And @Steampunkette already kind of made the point that while problematic those dudes also didn't go around screaming that they were sexist. Talking about real examples of abuse also doesn't work here because most people would be put off by that stuff if they knew about it: the acceptability of the casting couch was because it was kept from view, not because the average joe knew about it.



Yeah, again, those movies don't go around embracing the idea of being regressive like Gary was, nor do they hold views like "Women are built to not have fun in the same way men are". You're trying to conflate two different kinds of problematic into one because that's the only way you can really find an excuse for Gary here.



... Because those mass media things didn't say what Gary said? This argument is inane: anyone proclaiming themselves a sexist in a movie would instantly be termed the bad guy, even in the 1970s. That's not something the good guy would do, just as someone proclaiming themselves a racist would be looked at as the bad guy.



Uh, I would debate that. There's plenty of problematic media, but the interactions people talk about with Gary, especially towards women, are pretty f***ing bad.



Your main point seems largely to be to deflect and find other things to try and say that "Well, Gary wasn't as bad as this and how could he be bad if they let this in theaters!" without actually dealing with what he said as well as what people seemed to think of it. This whole line of logic doesn't hold together past the first step: just because Revenge of the Nerds has a bunch of terrible stuff in it doesn't suddenly mean that Gary's stuff wasn't necessarily more terrible, especially given the stuff he said in 2005.



Okay, dude, I'm telling you as someone from the US who teaches history that you really don't know as much as you think you do about us.

Want to compare notes on dates for women's rights, race relations, universal Healthcare, welfare, and pensions etc? All that nice to have stuff we got in the 19th century?

Gary essentially faced 0 blowback for his comments in the 1970s. Why was that? I would argue its because of the 1970s. Why he had those views? 1938 way he was raised and environment.

Disagree with much of that?
 

Page after page of trying to “contextualize” Gygax’s words.

Yet virtually no time at all spent actually context using what started this discussion in the first place.

Oh right. Because everyone pretty much agrees that the reaction to the forword in a history book was wrong.

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Can the magic words work here?

Ben Riggs is a product of his time.
 

Want to compare notes on dates for women's rights, race relations, universal Healthcare, welfare, and pensions etc? All that nice to have stuff we got in the 19th century?

Gary essentially faced 0 blowback for his comments in the 1970s. Why was that? I would argue its because of the 1970s. Why he had those views? 1938 way he was raised and environment.

Disagree with much of that?
Yeah. I disagree with it on two points.

1) We know he faced blowback. He got called out, repeatedly, for being a sexist. He kept getting called out for being a sexist 'til 2005 or later. How much blowback was it? We can't be sure. You can say "Essentially 0" but that's based on an assumption on your part which dismisses the blowback we do know he got.

2) Luke Gygax and Ernie Gary Gygax Junior were raised in the same household, under the same father, in the same time. Ernie hangs out with a literal Nazi and a provocateur bigot who seeks conflict to the point WotC had to shut him down. Luke doesn't. Clearly "The Time" and "How he was Raised" don't tell the whole story. So were their sisters. Neither of whom hangs out with Nazis or Bigots.
 

One can also look at other contemporary works as well. Revenge of the Nerds comes to mind. I tried rewatching Police Academy. It's not good and gets worse each movie (think I made it to the 3rd)

Sure some people disagreed but I'm talking about what's acceptable for consumer and pulp culture entertainment.
Porky’s for God’s sake. Don’t forget American Pie. National Lampoons Animal House. Mad and Cracked magazines. Heavy Metal magazine. The 70s were crude and rude. Gary was sexist but so were lots of others. Doesn’t make it right, doesn’t excuse anything, it just was.
 
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Porky’s for God’s sake. Don’t forget American Pie. The 70s were crude and rude.
Yeah, the scene where Porky goes "Hah! Yeah! We're being sexist! Look at our sexism! We're gonna be EVEN MORE SEXIST just to piss you off!" was weirdly out of place in that film...

Oh. Wait. That didn't happen.

Because there's a difference between implicit sexism and explicit sexism and one is tolerated by society while the other isn't...

Honestly, I don't know if there was ever a time in society where a man said "I hate women and think of them as inferior creatures" that they got 0 pushback. Might've been supported by some of their pals, sure. But still consequences.
 

Porky’s for God’s sake. Don’t forget American Pie. The 70s were crude and rude.
The 1970s were progressive, feminist, and visionary. Remember, the 70s also gave us Apocalypse Now. The Godfather. A Doll's House. The Stepford Wives. Wonder Woman. Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Rocky. Enter the Dragon. Patton....

Seriously, people need to stop saying that most things (or everything) in the 19##'s was sexist. Any evidence of this is greatly outweighed by evidence to the contrary. People made sexist movies, and recorded sexist songs, and said sexist things...but far more people didn't.
 
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Want to compare notes on dates for women's rights, race relations, universal Healthcare, welfare, and pensions etc? All that nice to have stuff we got in the 19th century?

I don't really see a point as 1) We've already been warned off going into deep political and historical contexts right now (not that this is exactly deep) and 2) I don't see as particularly relevant to the situation given the context we actually have in front of us.

Gary essentially faced 0 blowback for his comments in the 1970s. Why was that? I would argue its because of the 1970s. Why he had those views? 1938 way he was raised and environment.

Disagree with much of that?

I mean, yeah, I disagree because we literally have examples of blowback that he experienced. He's literally complaining about it when he declares himself a sexist! Like, have you read the stuff he said, because it directly relates to him experiencing blowback on his views!
 

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