D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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BEHOLD! The Platinum Dragon! Bahamut comes from the same cultural traditions, and the same mythology books, as Tiamat. You can't claim one and discard the other.

And yeah. You can believe what you want. But he didn't write "Women's Libbers" -beside- his description of Tiamat appropos of nothing.
 
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Gygax is very, very well known for reaching into mythology to come up with things.

I can very easily see a scenario where he's like, "I need to make rulers for the good and evil dragons." Then he proceeds to scour mythology books and talk to mythology professors until he finds Tiamat(female) who is sometimes depicted as a dragon(perfect!) and created a lot of monsters(she will also be the mother of those she rules) to kill the other gods(evil!) and since she is the mother of the chromatic dragons, she will have one head for each of them to depict it.

Now that he has the Tiamat the evil mother of dragons he needs a ruler for the good dragons. After scouring sources he finds nothing. Since good and evil are opposites, he makes her opposite. Female becomes male. CE becomes LG. He makes him platinum since it's more valuable than gold and invents a name. No bigotry there at all(not that I'm saying he wasn't a bigot).

I find that scenario far more likely and believable than him sitting down and being like, "Women evil! Men good!" Without some sort of concrete evidence that he chose the two rules out of bigotry, we can't assume that he did so. The Tiamat example is an example of people looking for something and forcing what could possibly be rooted in bigotry and declaring it to absolutely be so. You can't do that. Gygax was a bigot and that doubling down was very bad, but not everything he did with female and male is rooted in that bigotry.
But none of that necessitated a crack about "woman's lib," and the whole reason this example came up is that the history book reprinting that crack specifically gingerly states that WotC would nit publish thst joke in 2024.
 

But none of that necessitated a crack about "woman's lib," and the whole reason this example came up is that the history book reprinting that crack specifically gingerly states that WotC would nit publish thst joke in 2024.
I agree, but then none of it was intended to defend his bigotry in any way. The OP stated with certainty that Tiamat was the product of bigotry. I'm saying that not only is that one portion not certain, but it's probably wrong and had nothing to do with bigotry.
 

Tiamat was the name of a goddess of the Sea. Separate from Nammu, the goddess of lifegiving groundwaters. However, the Babylonians transposed Nammu and Tiamat's roles in the creation myth because their religious tradition placed Apsu, a masculine deity, in the position of god of lifegiving groundwaters while Nammu was a separate minor goddess relegated to creating Humanity with the help of 8 other deities.

As the Babylonians did with Enlil and their primary god Marduk, they syncretized Tiamat, who gave birth to various gods after mating with Apsu, with Nammu, who gave birth to those same gods after mating with Anu, god of Sky.

And then Marduk killed Tiamat, who was syncretized to Nammu, as a way to position their religious ideology over that of the Akkadians and the Sumerians and generally all the Mesopotamians who came before and existed around the Babylonian Empire. Since they were mostly working off the same overarching "Core Pantheon" across different cultures.

But yeah. Anyway. It's not relevant to Gygax's choice of making her a 5 headed dragon of Chaos.

Otherwise the "Platinum Dragon", Bahamut, would be a Carp with an Ox on it's back, an Angel on the Ox's back, and the world on the Angel's shoulders.

Dude found a couple of cool names for characters he wanted to create. Made the characters he wanted to create. And then slapped the names on them. The D&D deity Tiamat has nothing more in common with the Mesopotamian Sea Goddess than a name. Everything else is us trying to create a connection or syncretize them.

Scholarly works notwithstanding, Tiamat is literally listed under both Chaos and Dragon in a popular general audience myth books at the time. In a few books it is the literally the only obvious choice for a Dragon of Chaos. (Including ones in the Moldvay list put together with the help of the Librarian in Lake Geneva).

Bahamut? Yup, fish thing chosen for the name. Five heads? Matches the five types of dragon and nothing in myth. Him enjoying the Dragon of Chaos was female and making a dig to show his disdain for feminists yup.

Acting like Tiamat was just a cool name choice for a chaotic dragon god with no other connection to dragons or chaos at the time seems bizarre and unsupported by the evidence to me. I'm not sure why anyone would weaken an otherwise iron clad argument EGG was sexist by giving those who want to disagree easy things to distract with.
 
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BEHOLD! The Platinum Dragon! Bahamut comes from the same cultural traditions, and the same mythology books, as Tiamat. You can't claim one and discard the other.

And yeah. You can believe what you want. But he didn't write "Women's Libbers" -beside- his description of Tiamat appropos of nothing.
That's even more evidence that it wasn't due to his bigotry. Again, be scours myths and if that was a dragon in the myths, then he just pulled both and used them like he did minotaurs, medusae, dryads, centaurs, sphinxes, and on and on and on.
 

Better scholarship notwithstanding, Tiamat is literally listed under both Chaos and Dragon in a popular general audience myth books at the time. In a few books it is the literally the only obvious choice for a Dragon of Chaos. (Including ones in the Moldvay list put together with the help of the Librarian in Lake Geneva).

Bahamut? Yup, fish thing chosen for the name. Five heads? Matches the five types of dragon and nothing in myth. Him enjoying the Dragon of Chaos was female and making a dig to show his disdain for feminists yup.

Acting like Tiamat was just a cool name choice for a chaotic dragon god at the time seems bizarre and unsupported by the evidence to me. I'm not sure why anyone would weaken an otherwise iron clad argument EGG was sexist by giving those who want to disagree easy things to distract with.
So Tiamat was directly inspired and Bahamut was just a cool name choice?

Because they're both from the same myths. Why was one drastically altered and the other not?

That's kinda the thing I wrote about the Treachery of Images. Gygax was an author. He created his Tiamat and used a name from myth. That's as far as their connection actually goes. His Tiamat isn't a sea goddess, the mythological one didn't have five heads of different colors.

Gygax wanted his hydra headed god, he wanted her to be Chaotic and represent evil, and he snagged a name from a mythology book.

Just like he did with Bahamut the Platinum Fish-Ox-Angel.

And then he tossed out a "Come at me!" to feminists when he wrote about her because he intended it to be a statement on sexism. Because there's no other reason to put that in there.

That's not the history books or Ben Riggs going "Tiamat exists to be sexist!" for no reason whatsoever. Gygax flatly uses her existence as an attempt to "Trigger" the feminists of his day and age.
That's even more evidence that it wasn't due to his bigotry. Again, be scours myths and if that was a dragon in the myths, then he just pulled both and used them like he did minotaurs, medusae, dryads, centaurs, sphinxes, and on and on and on.
Ah, yes. MORE evidence that Tiamat from the books is the same as Mesopotamian Myth. Because Bahamut is a platinum dragon rather than a fish.

... wait...

No. no. That's nonsensical. 'Cause Bahamut was drastically changed and Tiamat was, too. Only the name actually carried over in either case.

And it still doesn't deal with him LITERALLY CALLING OUT FEMINISTS when he wrote about Tiamat as a "Hah hah! Look, Feminists! Woman Evil! Man Good! Gonna do something about it?!"

All of the "But it's historical myth!" stuff is just a red herring to the fact that he used Tiamat as a flag to wave at women's lib to try and piss them off in an outright sexist attack.

The fact that y'all're both distracted by trying to connect to the Mesopotamian deity doesn't negate the fact that Gygax himself went "Look! I'm using Tiamat to be sexist!"
 

So Tiamat was directly inspired and Bahamut was just a cool name choice?

Because they're both from the same myths. Why was one drastically altered and the other not?

Because if someone is looking for a Dragon of Chaos and Dragon of Law in popular myth books of the time, there is (as far as I can tell) one Dragon that stands out. Tiamat with Chaos. There isn't one for Law. So one is obvious and the other is shunted into just finding a name that sounds good with Tiamat.

I'm not distracted from his sexism. I've repeatedly mentioned it when I bring it up. It's obvious from the quote he made. It doesn't seem to matter why he chose Tiamat as far as the follow up quote goes.

So why do I bring it up? Because the claim that he just happened to choose Tiamat randomly as a name for a dragon of chaos strikes me as completely insipid and it annoys me. I hate when things are unnecessarily added to weaken a claim I agree with.
 

Scholarly works notwithstanding, Tiamat is literally listed under both Chaos and Dragon in a popular general audience myth books at the time. In a few books it is the literally the only obvious choice for a Dragon of Chaos. (Including ones in the Moldvay list put together with the help of the Librarian in Lake Geneva).

Bahamut? Yup, fish thing chosen for the name. Five heads? Matches the five types of dragon and nothing in myth. Him enjoying the Dragon of Chaos was female and making a dig to show his disdain for feminists yup.

Acting like Tiamat was just a cool name choice for a chaotic dragon god with no other connection to dragons or chaos at the time seems bizarre and unsupported by the evidence to me. I'm not sure why anyone would weaken an otherwise iron clad argument EGG was sexist by giving those who want to disagree easy things to distract with.
I feel like that part where he follows up the choice by literally saying the ;Women's Libbers' line is why it was chosen and then the defenders are very purposefully ignoring the fact that--once again--the person pointing out the bigotry is Gygax himself.
 

I feel like that part where he follows up the choice by literally saying the ;Women's Libbers' line is why it was chosen and then the defenders are very purposefully ignoring the fact that--once again--the person pointing out the bigotry is Gygax himself.

Yes. He was happy to gloat that the only obvious dragon of chaos out there was female because it fit his sexist world view, and he made a childish dig proclaiming it.

(It doesn't feel like it is nearly the dig he seems to think it is if he made the comment about a random name he just chose out of nowhere.)
 


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