D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[UngeheuerLich]

you have 4 picks out of 6 options, maybe someone want's more roleplay aspect.
Hmm, maybe raise that 3 to 5?

Not really. Lets see how the other species look at August 1st.
Tgen we will see if any species gets such proficiencies. If yes, keep it. Otherwise, I'd do away with it.

 

[Maxperson]

So it's just the principle. Got it.

No. Mechanics and lore need to match. If I have to go outside of the race to a feat to actually be the race, there is a disconnect. Your idea would force me to be human in order to be a half-elf. That doesn't fly.

 

[Maxperson]

So if half-elf was:

charm and sleep resistance,
darkvision
2 skills
elvish, common, one extra language
Inspiration on start of adventuring day (to make up for the loss of +1 attribute increase since 2014)

You get your feat from background.

You are happy?

And if it was a feat (prerequisite human, only available at 1st level):

You gain:
darkvision
1 extra skill
charm and sleep resistance
elven language

That taken as a human in 2024 results in

charm and sleep resistance,
darkvision
2 skills
elvish, common, one extra language
Inspiration on start of adventuring day.

You still get your feat from background.

you are unhappy?

If it makes sense to you, ok. It does not make a lot of sense to me.
You insisting that you lose a feat is factually incorrect.

At no point there am I ever a half-elf. I pick human. That is my race. Human. If I take a elf blooded feat, I am still a human with some extra elven abilities. Not a half-elf. In order to be a half-elf, I need to pick half elf and get the abilities through race.

 

[Micah Sweet]

HALF ELF​

Traits​

Creature Type : Humanoid
Size : Medium (about 5-6 feet tall)
Speed : 30 feet
Life Span : 200 years on average

Special Traits​

Combat Dilettante: You know weapon mastery in one simple weapon or one cantrip from the cleric, druid, or wizard class.
Darkvision : You have Darkvision with a range of 60 feet.
Dual Heritage: You can take feats that have either elf or human as a prerequisite (as well as those specifically for half-elves), as long as you meet any other requirements.
Extra Language: You know one additional common language.
Fey Ancestry : You have Advantage on saving throws you make to avoid or end the Charmed Condition on yourself.
Skill Versatility: You gain Proficiency in two skills of your choice. At the 5th level, you gain Expertise in a skill you have Proficiency in.

HALF ORC​

Traits​

Creature Type : Humanoid
Size : Medium (about 6-7 feet tall)
Speed : 30 feet
Life Span : 80 years on average

Special Traits​

Darkvision : You have Darkvision with a range of 60 feet.
Dual Heritage: You can take feats that have either human or orc as a prerequisite (as well as those specifically for half-orc), as long as you meet any other requirements.
Furious Assault: When you hit with an attack roll, you can make the hit a critical hit instead. Once you use this trait, you can’t do so again until you finish a Long Rest
Relentless Endurance : When you are reduced to 0 Hit Points but not killed outright, you can drop to 1 Hit Point instead. Once you use this trait, you can’t do so again until you finish a Long Rest.

Put these in the SRD and it's all fine.

Not that I mind, but why do these need to be in the SRD? Clearly you have access to the rules text you want, so both options are available at your table. What does adding them to the SRD get you?

 

[Maxperson]

In Lord of the Rings, are humans, elves and orcs all different species? Or are they the same species and can interbreed? I know Tolkien referred to all of them as different "races" rather than "species".

Elves and humans are different species which can interbreed. At some point some elves were tortured and corrupted by Morgoth into being the first orcs, so orcs and elves might be the same species, but different races. That depends on just how significant the changes were. Later on Saruman used his power to create man-orcs(half-orcs), but I don't think it was by breeding.

 

[Alzrius]

Elves and humans are different species which can interbreed.

I suppose that makes them...ring species.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

At no point there am I ever a half-elf. I pick human. That is my race. Human.

So that is your problem?

If I take a elf blooded feat, I am still a human with some extra elven abilities. Not a half-elf. In order to be a half-elf, I need to pick half elf and get the abilities through race.

Ok.
In the meantime everyone else can just take that feat and be happy.

 

[Maxperson]

So that is your problem?

Ok.
In the meantime everyone else can just take that feat and be happy.

Some sure. Everyone? No. I've encountered a lot of folks over the years who also want the lore and mechanics to match.

 

[Maxperson]

I suppose that makes them...ring species.

Lord of the Ring species anyway.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Some sure. Everyone? No. I've encountered a lot of folks over the years who also want the lore and mechanics to match.

Now I understand your problem. Why didn't you say that in your last posts?