D&D (2024) How D&D Beyond Will Handle Access To 2014 Rules

D&D Beyond has announced how the transition to the new 2024 edition will work on the platform, and how legacy access to the 2014 version of D&D will be implemented.

• You will still be able to access the 2014 Basic Rules and core rulebooks.
• You will still be able to make characters using the 2014 Player's Handbook.
• Existing home-brew content will not be impacted.
• These 2014 rules will be accessible and will be marked with a 'legacy' badge: classes, subclasses, species, backgrounds, feats, monsters.
• Tooltips will reflect the 2024 rules.
• Monster stat blocks will be updated to 2024.
• There will be terminology changes (Heroic Inspiration, Species, etc.)

D&D (2024) - Wizards of the Coast Backtracks on D&D Beyond and 2014 Content

Wizards of the Coast posted an overnight update stating that they are not going forward with previously released plans to require those wishing to use some 2014 content on D&D Beyond to use the Homebrew function to manually enter it. Instead, all the content including spells and magic items will...

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[Micah Sweet]

IF you are asking if they had their own player's book, DM's book, and Monster book... then yes, they did.

Fair enough. Still pretty sure that LU and/or TotV would have stated their intention to change their games for WotC if they intended to.

 

[Chaosmancer]

and assign all 3pp content to them in the process, sweeping A5e, ToV, etc. completely under the rug

No, not in the slightest. Those products were not made by WotC and are quite fine products.

We all know they created D&D 5e, no one is taking that away by acknowledging that other 5e compatible core books exist now.

And I've never denied that other 5e compatible books exist. But those books were built on top of the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons, not "5e that is not DnD"

where does the part in brackets come from?

I see them describe it as ‘A deeper, more flexible enhancement of the 5E ruleset’. What do you think they mean by 5e ruleset?

As to why PF2 and WH40k do not mention 5e, that is simple, they are not compatible with that ruleset, really no surprise there…

The brackets are a replacement, as seen in some quotes when without context it can be confusing to use the pronoun. The line comes from here, though I did not quote it exactly:

Is it still 5th edition, as in is it still the 5th edition of DnD, and in the FAQ for Level Up, Morrus gave an emphatic Yes! Yes! Level Up is still the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons.

of course the 5e refers to the 5e in D&D 5e (and now FrogReaver will breathe down my neck again because apparently I use ‘refer’ wrong). The 5e ruleset / platform is not D&D 5e however, it is the 5e SRD.

D&D 5e is one implementation of that ruleset, it was the first one, but it has not been the only one for a while now.

Sure, the 5e SRD is not the entiretly of all WoTC products released for the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons, but again, an SRD is a "System Reference Document", it is not a product on its own, it references another product, another entity. And that is the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons. And of course the SRD is not the only implementation of the 5th edition DnD ruleset. It wasn't the only implementation of the 5th edition DnD ruleset before it was even written.

But that doesn't make it not DnD.

4e is another version of D&D, so is 3e, ToV and A5e are not other versions of D&D, they are other versions of the 5e ruleset.

"they are other versions of the 5e ruleset." or in other words "they are other versions of the [5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons] ruleset." because that is what 5e means.

no one says you cannot make a connection, the 5e SRD is connected to D&D 5e. That does not mean A5e is the same as D&D 5e or something else that can legally be called a version of D&D. It still is a version of the 5e ruleset however

Of course Level up is not identical to the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons, if it was, it would just be a copy of 5e DnD. But again, by saying it is a version of the ruleset, you are literally saying "It still is a version of the [5th Edition of Dungeons and Dragons] ruleset however" Which is my point.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Fair enough. Still pretty sure that LU and/or TotV would have stated their intention to change their games for WotC if they intended to.

Sure, but just because they don't intend to do so now doesn't mean that they won't in the next decade when that hypothetical 6e might start being considered, which was the entire tangent you wanted to build off of.

 

[mamba]

... Are their any 5e compatible products that are not compatible with D&D 5e? Any at all?

I do not consider PHB core books to be compatible, they are replacements. You could maybe use them alongside, depends on the case I guess, @Imaro was saying Symbaroum is not compatible with D&D 5e despite being a 5e ruleset

It offers its own classes and subclasses. One of the defining features is its balancing of magic through gaining corruption by its use. Not sure how that what play out at the same table as a regular spellcaster from 5e

 

[mamba]

No, not in the slightest. Those products were not made by WotC and are quite fine products.

for you 5e compatible is D&D 5e compatible and they are not additions to D&D but separate core books, so in your characterization they are being swept under the rug

And I've never denied that other 5e compatible books exist. But those books were built on top of the 5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons, not "5e that is not DnD"

they were built on top of the 5e SRD, no one but WotC can build on top of D&D 5e.

The brackets are a replacement

the brackets are you confusing the issue, EN Publishing was very clear about them being compatible with the 5e ruleset, you turned that into D&D 5e, which is something else. Notice the 'this new game' at the end of your screenshot.

an SRD is a "System Reference Document", it is not a product on its own

it is no product, but it establishes a standard that others can use. D&D is a product that no one else can use

"they are other versions of the 5e ruleset." or in other words "they are other versions of the [5th edition of Dungeons and Dragons] ruleset." because that is what 5e means.

and that is where we disagree, see also the 'new game' in the screenshot for which you pretend that A5e is just D&D 5e.

by saying it is a version of the ruleset, you are literally saying "It still is a version of the [5th Edition of Dungeons and Dragons] ruleset however" Which is my point.

that is not what I am saying at all, that is you twisting what I am saying into the point you are trying to make, just like you twisted what A5e is saying about its game

 

[Imaro]

I do not consider PHB core books to be compatible, they are replacements. You could maybe use them alongside, depends on the case I guess, @Imaro was saying Symbaroum is not compatible with D&D 5e despite being a 5e ruleset

That's not remotely what I said... especially since the d3finition of compatibility being used in this thread is all over the place... I'm sure you could use Ruins of Symbaroum monsters... does that make it compatible?

 

[mamba]

That's not remotely what I said... especially since the d3finition of compatibility being used in this thread is all over the place... I'm sure you could use Ruins of Symbaroum monsters... does that make it compatible?

what about the classes? It certainly sounded like you at least had doubts. If the classes are not compatible, then we have a book that is 5e compatible but not D&D 5e compatible...

 

[Imaro]

what about the classes? It certainly sounded like you at least had doubts. If the classes are not compatible, then we have a book that is 5e compatible but not D&D 5e compatible...

I don't know since when I play Ruins of Symbaroum... I play RoS. I'm sure I could find a way to mesh them but I could also do so for some aspects of non d20 games... it'd just be more work.

 

[pukunui]

OK so going back to the original premise of this thread, here are some things I've noticed:

Inspiration has been changed to Heroic Inspiration and the tooltip refers to the new rules. This was to be expected.

The Description tab has been relabeled "Background". It otherwise has the same content as before for 2014 characters. This was to be expected.

However, the text for Unarmed Strikes has been fully updated to the 2024 rules even for 2014 characters. This I did not expect.

 

[mamba]

I don't know since when I play Ruins of Symbaroum... I play RoS. I'm sure I could find a way to mesh them but I could also do so for some aspects of non d20 games... it'd just be more work.

having to do that work is what it means for them to not be compatible, if they were you would not have to do that work.

D&D 2e and D&D 5e are not compatible, but I can convert monsters and use them