WotC How much does Hasbro / WotC impact your feelings towards D&D?

[TiQuinn]

They do.

Tell me what happened to all the social networks that failed. Google alone has failed numerous times over here. Heck, WotC already failed in this space before, i.e. Gleemax. We note the winners, never the failures. There’s a lot more failures.

 

[Hussar]

What exactly am I example of here? I haven't caught up to the whole thread before replying

A perfect example of someone parroting click bait talking points without actually taking the time to learn facts.

That you bring up the Pinkerton thing as an example of WotC being bad is a prime example.

Or calling Sigil an MMO. Another great example.

It’s so hard to take people seriously when they obviously can’t be bothered learning facts before making up their mind.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Or calling Sigil an MMO. Another great example.

MMO is the new catch-all word to represent something I hate without having any fact as to why I do and never bothering figuring out the said ''why''. I preferred when it was ''anime'', felt more natural.

For example: '' most of my exes were MMOs. Do you remember when she went full Pinkertons at my mother's Christmas diner?''.

 

[Remathilis]

MMO is the new catch-all word to represent something I hate without having any fact as to why I do and never bothering figuring out the said ''why''. I preferred when it was ''anime'', felt more natural.

For example: '' most of my exes were MMOs. Do you remember when she went full Pinkertons at my mother's Christmas diner?''.

Actually, "AI" is the new "anime"

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Actually, "AI" is the new "anime"

Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

AI-nime?

 

[Hussar]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

AI-nime?

AI-ni-mmo-e

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

AI-ni-mmo-e

Genius.

The ultimate out-of-touch warcry!

 

[DrJawaPhD]

They openly hate us.

How on Earth can folks here believe that such brutal and direct contempt at you won't affect the quality of the product??

Holy exaggeration much? WotC loves money, and hates not making money. That's the entire list of what they love/hate.

 

[Mistwell]

Lotta folks here naively assuming that what WotC does has nothing to do with they make. Seeing a lot of opinions that amount to, "I voted '1'. I'm not bothered by their decisions, because it doesn't affect the product(s) they offer."

Except it does.

Those who disagree with me are naive isn't a good argument, nor is it persuasive. It is however insulting to your audience. Which seems unwise if your goal is to change minds.

Not that I'd be thrilled if they were, say, dumping toxic waste into the ocean, but that's not what's going on here. The OGL fiasco, hiring the Pinkertons, saying we're not monetized enough, using AI. . . these aren't United Fruit Company levels of evil. What's notable is how they're all rooted in contempt for their own customers. You know. . . the people who buy the stuff they make. Us. They openly hate us.

No, that is not what it means. I find that to be an absurd claim from that set of facts. They listened on the OGL and revealed a larger faction in WOTC disagreed with that opinion from the beginning and prevailed. The Pinkertons is a vastly overblown story which wasn't about a customer (he didn't buy it from WOTC, which seems lost in the story), monetization isn't hate for a customer particularly when their strategy was to offer MORE THINGS PEOPLE WANT, and the context of AI is to give customers AI tools to use for their games, not using AI to write gaming material or create gaming art for their publications.

Some of that I think you probably knew. Which makes your approach at best disingenuous.

How on Earth can folks here believe that such brutal and direct contempt at you won't affect the quality of the product??

Because it was neither brutal nor contempt, and you're engaging in hyperbole which isn't persuasive since you appear to be just assuming everyone thinks like you on this topic?

I mean if you like it, great. . . I'm not here to badwrongfun. But liking something isn't the same as self-respect.

Your first sentence is mutually exclusive with the second. Of course you're badwrongfunning here. And if somehow you honestly don't see it, then now you know from an outside perspective that's absolutely what your position here sounds like.

Folks in America regularly enjoy fast food, but most are honest in that they're not calling it fine dining. I've played a lot of D&D5, but over the years the changes have gotten steadily worse, and there's no way that's unrelated to that "screw the customer" attitude coming from the top. It's by far the most likely place it's coming from!

They have consulted the audience more and more over the years on what changes to make, the changes are all in line with what the audience wants, often contrary to what they proposed. So you're again substituting your opinion for fact - it's getting better over time, according to their customer base. It's not to your tastes, because it's you who is an outlier.

 

[Hussar]

Some of that I think you probably knew. Which makes your approach at best disingenuous.

And, another clear example of what I was talking about.

It's not like this is some rare behaviour that only happens once in a while. It's EVERY SINGLE discussion about anything to do with WotC as a company. The level of misinformation is so thick that it's very hard not to see it as deliberate.