D&D 5E (2014) Hypothetical: WotC goes under and Hasbro vaults D&D. Now What?

WotC/Hasbro seems to be the only TTRPG producer that is putting a large amount of resources and active effort into bringing new people into the hobby.
The new ToV starter set looks very good. If WotC wasn't trying to up its game with Heroes of the Borderland, the new ToV boxed set looks like a strong contender for the best 5E starter set of all time.

That said, having it be a big onramp for RPG newbies requires getting it in front of mass market customers, which is challenging. We'll see!
 

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Final Fantasy has displacer beasts and mindflayers so I'm sure something can be worked out.
I've actually only played one of those games so far--FF2, since I bought the pixel remastered version on sale. I was amused to note that displacer beasts were called coeurls there and, well, had nothing to do with D&D displacer beasts (they shoot magic lasers or something).

I'm gonna start FF4 in a day or two, so I guess I'll find out if they're in that game and under what name.
 

So this thread is meant to be a discussion about what that might look like. What if by some series of unfortunate events D&D is no longer published or even licensed out? Let's even presume that Hasbro gets real litigious about any trademark violations, but doesn't bother doing anything about people using either SRD under CC.

Now what? What does "D&D never dying" look like under this scenario?
Good question! I think this would begin a slow death spiral for the game in a larger context. Of course, it wouldn't affect anyone's games, but it would have a tremendous effect on new people entering the hobby.

Like it or not, D&D is synonymous with "RPGs" to the larger audience. Just like Kleenex really means tissues, and, in some parts of the country, Coke means soda or pop.

Could some other company take up the mantle and become the new big dog? Yes. I would expect even if this would happen, it would be much smaller than D&D for a long time, if not forever. If, for instance, Pathfinder became the next big thing, I think you'd hear "players of Pathfinder, the successor to D&D," in a similar manner to how X is still described as formerly Twitter.

But, in terms of "what difference does it make?" I would say that D&D being out there, being the brand, means something in larger terms. It carries a lot of water. I think it's been hundreds of times where I have told people that I play RPGs, only to have someone say, "Oh, D&D?" and I can say yes. People have, for good or bad, an idea of what D&D is.
 

The new ToV starter set looks very good. If WotC wasn't trying to up its game with Heroes of the Borderland, the new ToV boxed set looks like a strong contender for the best 5E starter set of all time.

That said, having it be a big onramp for RPG newbies requires getting it in front of mass market customers, which is challenging. We'll see!
So far, ToV seems to have been marketed specifically to existing D&D players that liked 5e but were disillusioned with WotC.
I have not seen ToV advertised anywhere other than TTRPG spaces, unlike D&D 5e which has had significant money and time invested in it in mainstream media and areas where new potential players can be drawn in.
 

So far, ToV seems to have been marketed specifically to existing D&D players that liked 5e but were disillusioned with WotC.
I have not seen ToV advertised anywhere other than TTRPG spaces, unlike D&D 5e which has had significant money and time invested in it in mainstream media and areas where new potential players can be drawn in.
I don't know that D&D is marketed outside the gaming space so much as it's distributed by Hasbro, which means it has access to Target and bookstores, etc., whereas Kobold and company are effectively locked out from many of those spaces.

The ToV starter set is not just a conversion doc for existing D&D players, but probably the most fully featured starter set to date. But, as I said before, the challenge is figuring out how to get it in front of the potential audience. I don't know if they have the marketing budget to do so, but I would probably be making free copies available to libraries and gaming clubs if I were Kobold (and had the marketing budget to underwrite such things).

@Marc Radle I'm sure can speak with more authority on all this.
 

I am not convinced Pathfinder is really a model in this situation. It served players of a specific version of D&D in the context of D&D still being a going concern. And I think we are all aware that the idea that 4E "failed" is overblown.

I think Pathfinder would continue, and while Paizo might try to capture some "orphaned" 5E folks, I think more likely that a new studio would arise to produce a spiritual 6E. In the same way that this happens at video game companies, I think some D&D luminaries would join forces to keep "D&D" alive, even if it were called "Drakes and Demenses" instead.
 

I am not convinced Pathfinder is really a model in this situation. It served players of a specific version of D&D in the context of D&D still being a going concern. And I think we are all aware that the idea that 4E "failed" is overblown.

I think Pathfinder would continue, and while Paizo might try to capture some "orphaned" 5E folks, I think more likely that a new studio would arise to produce a spiritual 6E. In the same way that this happens at video game companies, I think some D&D luminaries would join forces to keep "D&D" alive, even if it were called "Drakes and Demenses" instead.
Yeah, I don't see any reason to believe that 2025 Paizo would toss PF2E overboard in favor of chasing a portion of the post-WotC 5E market like that. Bird in the hand vs. two in the bush, etc.
 

I've actually only played one of those games so far--FF2, since I bought the pixel remastered version on sale. I was amused to note that displacer beasts were called coeurls there and, well, had nothing to do with D&D displacer beasts (they shoot magic lasers or something).

I'm gonna start FF4 in a day or two, so I guess I'll find out if they're in that game and under what name.
Coeurls and Displacer Beasts ultimately have the same origin in a really old sci-fi story that might be public domain by now
 

If it was still available probably

It doesn't really make much difference to me. Unless players start getting hard to find.

Total collapse I have more than I'll ever need.
Just wanted to point out that the OP is not about how it would affect you, but what you think the effect would be on the market / TTRPGs/D&D
 


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