D&D (2024) Rogues can now Sneak Attack with all thrown weapons - Tridents, Spears, Handaxes, they all work!

[Mistwell]

Which is wrong.

In a different thread we already noticed that "ranged weapon" and "range weapon" are not the same.

Now sure where it says they are different or why that is wrong?

 

[Vaalingrade]

We need to go back to the days before the Sage ruined everything and let rogues use any weapon.

My first rogue use a bastard sword and use alchemist fire he brewed himself -- 3.5 stole them both from me.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Naw Rogues can definitely sneak attack with thrown weapons now. That was included in the UA videos as well. I think mention was made of a rogue throwing daggers.

They have the finesse property. This always worked...

 

[Mistwell]

They have the finesse property. This always worked...

Sure but sneak attack does now work with a ranged weapon which includes thrown weapons. Where are you seeing a distinction?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Sure but sneak attack does now work with a ranged weapon which includes thrown weapons. Where are you seeing a distinction?

"Range" is a property, "ranged" is a category.

In a different thread it was debated already. In 2014 this was clarified already. The wording is just a bit worse now.

Ok. I can't hinder people shooting themself in the foot. I am out here.
Happy gaming.

 

[Seramus]

The only way I can see this working is if you assume "a Ranged weapon" means the Range property because the prior example (Finesse) is also a property.

As opposed to the category of weapons called "Ranged Weapons."

 

[mellored]

Melee or Ranged. A weapon is classified as either Melee or Ranged.

Trident is a Martial Melee Weapon, that has the Thrown property.

Thrown
If a weapon has the Thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack, and you can draw that weapon as part of the attack. If the weapon is a Melee weapon, use the same ability modifier for the attack and damage rolls that you use for a melee attack with that weapon.


If the Trident was a "Ranged" weapon, then everyone would need to use Dex to attack with it.

 

[Horwath]

simple solution for this:

1. rework GWF style so it is good for 2Handers and preventing cheese in stacking bonus dice to attack.
minimum damage is average die roll round UP
d4->3, d6->4, d8->5, d10->6, d12->7
and it works ONLY with BASE weapon damage die.

2. Sneak attack works with every attack.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Sure but sneak attack does now work with a ranged weapon which includes thrown weapons. Where are you seeing a distinction?

No, thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. The distinction is in the table headings.

 

[Maxperson]

This is the only definition of Ranged Weapon in the whole book. Is your argument really that a "Range Weapon" (which is probably a typo) is somehow different than a "Ranged Weapon" when the latter is not identified with a text description anywhere?

I don't know. Remember, melee attack and melee weapon attack were different in 5e. Those seemed to be the same to most people I know who read it.

You might be right, but if you are it's extremely silly to require finesse on a weapon unless it's a trident and you can throw it. Then the game throws finesse right out the window.

It seems very, very probable that the rule was intended to work with thrown weapons only when used at range and not in melee.