D&D (2024) Rogues can now Sneak Attack with all thrown weapons - Tridents, Spears, Handaxes, they all work!

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A small change which went unoticed (at least by my group) until the game today when we had a long in game discussion about it following an attack with a hand axe by a Rogue. The definition of a "ranged weapon" is changed in the 2024 rules and the new wording of sneak attack and Ranged weapon allow these weapons to be used. Under the new rules a weapon that is under the melee weapon sections of the table is both a melee weapon and a ranged weapon if it has the thrown property with a range after it.

From Rogue Sneak Attack:
You know how to strike subtly and exploit a foe’s distraction. Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack roll if you have Advantage on the roll and the attack uses a Finesse or a Ranged weapon. The extra damage’s type is the same as the weapon’s type.

From page 214:
A Range weapon has a range in parentheses after the Ammunition or Thrown property. The range lists two numbers. The first is the weapon’s normal range in feet, and the second is the weapon’s long range.

This is not only what is called out in the PHB separate from Rogue, on the DNDB version this is also the text that is linked when you click "Ranged Weapon" in the Sneak Attack section.

It also does not say it needs to be a Ranged attack, so you can use a "Ranged Weapon" that is also a melee weapon in melee and get this damage. This means RAW a Trident wielded with 2 hands is the highest damage melee weapon eligible for sneak attack at 1d10. This also brings SAP and Topple into the list of possible masteries to be used on sneak attack (although the Rogue would need to get proficiency in trident to use Topple during a sneak attack). It is also important to note such sneak attacks with non-finesse "Ranged weapons" would always be made using Strength (unless you have some sort of spell or invocation that changes it).

Did other groups catch this change?
 
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Which is wrong.

In a different thread we already noticed that "ranged weapon" and "range weapon" are not the same.

When it comes to the Rogue Sneak Attack feature they are the same.

This is even what is linked in DNDBeyond on the Rogue Sneak Attack feature. When you go into the Rogue section you can hover over "Finesse" and you can hover over "Ranged" in Sneak Attack and when you do the latter, this is the text that comes up.

This is the only definition of "Ranged Weapon" I have found in the new PHB and it is the one definition specifically linked in the Rogue Sneak Attack section!

It would be different if on page 214 it said Ranged Attack or if in the Rogue section it linked to a Ranged Weapon table instead of to this specific definition.
 
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Yes they are. This is even what is linked in DNDBeyond on the Rogue feature. When you go into the Rogue section you can hover over Finesse and you can hover over Ranged and this is the text that comes up.
Ok. If you want to make up your own rules, have fun.

Right now Inwould not trust dndbeyond on this. In some sections 2014 rules are linked.
 




Ok. If you want to make up your own rules, have fun.

Right now Inwould not trust dndbeyond on this. In some sections 2014 rules are linked.

This is the only definition of Ranged Weapon in the whole book. Is your argument really that a "Range Weapon" (which is probably a typo) is somehow different than a "Ranged Weapon" when the latter is not identified with a text description anywhere?
 

This is the only definition of Ranged Weapon in the whole book. Is your argument really that a "Range Weapon" (which is probably a typo) is somehow different than a "Ranged Weapon" when the latter is not identified with a text description anywhere?
The weapon table lists melee and ranged weapons.

Range is a property.

Btw note that ranged is not green on dndbeyond. Not meaning the property but the list.

But again. If you think that your reading is correct, play as you like.

About GWF. If it is only the weapon die, it would be noted there. If you can ise it on all dice for the attack, the math of the feat works fine. Othereise it is not.

I am again really surprised why people try to read rules in a way that makes them too good or too bad when the normal reading is balanced...
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