D&D (2024) Rogues can now Sneak Attack with all thrown weapons - Tridents, Spears, Handaxes, they all work!

[UngeheuerLich]

Fascinating. You're linking to some version of the free basic rules. I am linking to the paid book rules. And they're different. Though they should not be different. It's almost, but not entirely, the same text. All the "Level" text is gone in your version. Many of the hyperlinks are gone. but not all. It's as if they literally rebuilt an entire different system for the free versus paid version rather than having an overlay.

Well, I apologize.

Accepted. Thank you.

You're right, your link says what you say it does, which appears to be the 2024 free rules duplicating the section of the 2014 rules. The paid version is in fact different, and that's all I see unless I go out of the system and go through your link to the free version.

Strange. For me it is the paid version too. And I am logged in. I only have your version in the sourcebook section in the PHB2024.

So lets just say, right now dndbeyond is quite unreliable as a source.
(For characters I needed to remove feat requirements as they were also messed up).

 

[ECMO3]

No it doesn't equal range. Range is the parentheses range. Ranged weapons is the category listed on the weapons table. They are different.

A Range Weapon is a weapon with a range after the ammunition or thrown property.

Tell me where I can find this definition of Ranged Weapon that excludes those.

It's clearly talking about the classifications on the weapons table.

No it is not. It is clearly NOT using that as a distinguisher. Based on the link it is clearly saying axes and spears are Ranged Weapons.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

A Range Weapon is a weapon with a range after the ammunition or thrown property.

Tell me where I can find this definition of Ranged Weapon that excludes those.

Table header. Not hard to find. Someone already expained it.

No it is not. It is clearly NOT using that as a distinguisher.

 

[Mistwell]

Accepted. Thank you.

Strange. For me it is the paid version too. And I am logged in.

So lets just say, right now dndbeyond is quite unreliable as a source.
(For characters I needed to remove feat requirements as they were also messed up).

I don't know what version. I assumed it was the free version because for me if I scroll to the top and click the navigation for "classes" it takes me to the main page for the basic rules. But that navigation doesn't have to be correct either.

I just...I don't know what they did here? Why are there two different versions of the same rules? And as you say, this is all unreliable now.

 

[ECMO3]

Nope. It says rangeD weapon.

And nowere does it define "Ranged Weapon" in any way that makes more sense.

You are saying "Range Weapon" is not the same thing as "Ranged Weapon" but then you are making up what a Ranged Weapon is without any sort of better definiton at all.

Your whole argument boils down to the words that are written in the PHB are not the rules because I don't like those words and think it should be this.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

And nowere does it define "Ranged Weapon" in any way that makes more sense.

You are saying "Range Weapon" is not the same thing as "Ranged Weapon" but then you are making up what a Ranged Weapon is without any sort of better definiton at all.

Table header. There is an actual list.

Your whole argument boils down to the words that are written in the PHB are not the rules because I don't like those words and think it should be this.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I don't know what version. I assumed it was the free version because for me if I scroll to the top and click the navigation for "classes" it takes me to the main page for the basic rules. But that navigation doesn't have to be correct either.

Yes. It used to say free rules for the core 4 classes. But now all classes fall under free rules.

I just...I don't know what they did here? Why are there two different versions of the same rules? And as you say, this is all unreliable now.

Yes. I am totally confused about that too.

 

[ECMO3]

Table header. Not hard to find. Someone already expained it.

Yes and it provides some examples of Ranged and Melee Weapons, but it is not a definition, it is not linked from the Rogue Sneak Attack and nothing in it suggests it is exclusionary.

Nothing in the "Simple Ranged Weapons" section states this section is exclusionary and no other weapons can be Simple Ranged Weapons.

There is literally no wording in the 2024 PHB to support your position. None. You are basing it entirely on Legacy 2014 rules and explicitly ignoring new changed wording.

 

[MarkB]

Fascinating. You're linking to some version of the free basic rules. I am linking to the paid book rules. And they're different. Though they should not be different. It's almost, but not entirely, the same text. All the "Level" text is gone in your version. Many of the hyperlinks are gone. but not all. It's as if they literally rebuilt an entire different system for the free versus paid version rather than having an overlay.

Well, I apologize. You're right, your link says what you say it does, which appears to be the 2024 free rules duplicating the section of the 2014 rules. The paid version is in fact different, and that's all I see unless I go out of the system and go through your link to the free version.

The distinction isn't between the paid and free version, it's between the version in the PHB and the version if you access the class independently.

If you go to Game Rules > Classes > Rogue, the version of Sneak Attack in there lacks the Ranged hyperlink.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Yes and it provides some examples of Ranged and Melee Weapons, but it is not a definition, it is not linked from the Rogue Sneak Attack and nothing in it suggests it is exclusionary.

Yes. But those are the weapons you actually speak of. Right there. Under the correct header.

As we already noticed. The links on dndbeyond are unreliable right now.