D&D General Would you buy an AI-generated Castle Greyhawk "by" Gary Gygax?" Should you?

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trying to pin down why you think the matt mercer effect will impact your games if there is an AI DM option.
Where are you getting support for this wild leap from?
um, how can a question be a leap of anything, and its not wild.
Right from the start of this exchange I've talked about the AI stuff being used to bully the GM into matching an overly generous player facing AI feature.
and again, will your players try to bully YOU? do you know these bullies? IF you do know them are they really the kind of player you WANT at the table now with no AI DM?
It doesn't matter if a player feels that wotc provided power creep as a feature is a good or bad thing in a discussion of players using it as a wotc provided club to browbeat their GM into meeting or exceeding its generosity.
except if someone is going to do that they are ALREADY doing that (see your own video about 'jeff did it better'). The AI will just give them a new option. Options are GREAT!!! if they want to power build and have the AI DM or even just a single player game on easy mode give them that, let them. If they like your game they will still like your game.
How's the weather in Plato's cave this time of year?
please stop this... it is beneath us. Just stick to the concept we are talking about (an ethical sourced AI DM made by WotC)
 

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How's the weather in Plato's cave this time of year?
This is abuse. Calling someone ignorant, no matter how much I appreciate the philosophy reference, is abusive. Period.

Instead of all but saying “you are ignorant” to me, a little more explanation of your thinking is all that’s needed to change an unnecessarily abusive post to one that’s respectfully disagreeing and fostering good will and discussion .
 

Has anyone tried to do this? Maybe just for 10 rooms on the first floor? Here's Chat GPT output for a dungeon entrance written in the style of Gary Gygax. Not too bad...

Before you lies the ancient dungeon entrance, half-consumed by creeping vines and shadowed by towering, twisted oaks. The weathered stone archway, etched with long-faded sigils of unknown origin, looms ominously above you. Dark, foreboding air seeps out from the depths beyond the arch, carrying with it the faintest whisper of long-forgotten incantations. The heavy, iron-bound doors, once a barrier against the horrors within, now hang slightly ajar, as if daring any brave—or foolish—adventurer to cross the threshold.

Around the entrance, shattered remnants of what might have been warning signs or runic wards lie scattered in the overgrown grass, their warnings unheeded by time. The ground beneath your feet is littered with bones, some animal, some not, and the stench of decay lingers faintly in the breeze. A cold, unnatural chill grips the air here, as though the very earth recoils from the ancient evil entombed below.

This is no place for the faint of heart. Only those with strength, wit, and an iron resolve should dare to enter the dungeon’s yawning maw, for within lies not only treasure but terrors untold, awaiting their chance to feast on the unwary.

Could be an idea for a separate thread I suppose.
 



Given that scraping for AI training has been made legal in several places in the world, with various level of constraint, it's a stretch to assume the author is a thief for using AI to produce the content (or using copilot, or using Photoshop's "intelligent" tools) without knowing anything more. Your post is indeed controversial, as would someone posting that gun owners are criminals (or worse, in all caps). That's absolutely something you can think, but it might spark reactions if said on a politics-free international board.

With regards to quality, I also wouldn't buy "generic garbage", irrespective of how it was produced. Honestly, would you eagerly buy bland, generic garbage made by a non-caring author just putting out slop on DMsGuild? I think you wouldn't,so I guess the original question was more about equal-quality results. Would I buy a garbage AI product, no, of course, same as human-produced garbage product. I don't think it says anything about my stance on AI-generated products and the question about buying them. If the initial question's intent was to analyze our stance on AI, I think a better question would "would you rather suffer from an illness or buy an AI-generated drug"? That would be, I think, a better test than asking if we love AI-generated content enough to pay for them even if they are bad. To that question, I guess 99.9...% of the people would say no.

Is AI able right now to produce interesting content, that's another question. It was an argument a few years/months ago about AI image generation. Many people at the time said that AI was producing garbage images, and it was true, the technology was (and still is) nascent and it was interesting to follow but not really usable. But if you look at the thread about AI art for character generation on this board, you can see that the quality has improved substantially over the last two years, enough to be used in some cases. For example, since I haven't and won't commission artworks for my campaign journal, that takes the form of an in-universe newspaper, the choice is between "text-only" or "AI-illustrated", and I think we're past the point were AI images would detract from the prop.

I think it's the same with text. Maybe right now, AI can't produce content on par with with commercial handmade products, but it won't necessarily be the case over the next centuries, decades, years or, as seen with images, months. In this case the question would be: would you buy a good quality AI-made Castle Greyhawk or pass? I don't think so, because I'd rather run the AI-generating bot to help me write adventures from my group for free instead of paying, unless the technology is still in its infancy in a way that good content is possible but would need heavy hand-editing (so in this case, the AI would simply help the writer, as an helper not unlike a grammar checker, or if a good product was something like 1 in a thousand, and I might pay a little for the work of sorting out the chaff. Assuming AI produces consistently good product, I wouldn't buy it but rather use the tool on my computer. As with any commercial offer, I wouldn't pay more than I think buying the product will be useful (in this case, save me time), and compare my valuation of the time saved to the price.

On the morality of self-justice especially to punish people who might have done no wrong (if creating something in a place where scraping is legal), I generally wouldn't agree, on the basis that self-justice is something we generally agreed to avoid in order to build functional modern societies. Trying to inflict some harm on people because they collectively, through their democratically-chosen representative, made a different choice than you, as an individual, would have done, doesn't strike me as really "controversial" as I'd guess a large majority of people would count that as rather unethical.
 
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Given that scraping for AI training has been made legal in several places in the world, with various level of constraint, it's a stretch to assume the author is a thief
It is both ethically and legally in a grey area most places... I assume the US will either put some kind of regulation on it, or it will just become accepted.

Either way we are YEARS away from a consensus, if ever.
 

Given that scraping for AI training has been made legal in several places in the world,
I don't care.

it's a stretch to assume the author is a thief for using AI
AI is trained on stolen work of real artists, therefore use of AI is theft.

Your post is indeed controversial, as would someone posting that gun owners are criminals (or worse, in all caps). That's absolutely something you can think, but it might spark reactions if said on a politics-free international board.
I'm from Europe, we generally think Americans are crazy for not having gun control anyway.

Is AI able right now to produce interesting content, that's another question.
It cannot. AI always drives towards most common denominator, so everything it ever creates is inherently generic and boring.

I think a better question would "would you rather suffer from an illness or buy an AI-generated drug"?
No, it's a completely unrelated thing. AI used in medicine isn't even the same type of AI as the plagiarismbot 3000.

But if you look at the thread about AI art for character generation on this board,
Every single picture in that thread is worthless, generic garbage.

For example, since I haven't and won't commission artworks for my campaign journal, that takes the form of an in-universe newspaper, the choice is between "text-only" or "AI-illustrated", and I think we're past the point were AI images would detract from the prop.
If I was a player and saw AI-generated art in the game, I'd leave your game on the spot and cut contact with you.

Maybe right now, AI can't produce content on par with with commercial handmade products, but it won't necessarily be the case over the next centuries, decades, years or, as seen with images, months
And t his is why we need regulations to ban the plagiarism machines and save jobs done by real writers.

On the morality of self-justice especially to punish people who might have done no wrong (if creating something in a place where scraping is legal),
legal =/= not wrong, you're using a rhetorican trick to conflate the two.
 

Controversial opinion, but I would even consider piracy of AI-generated content moral on the ground this is already stolen from real creators.
In the US at least, non-humans can't hold copyrights, so it's not even piracy.

It's more like possession of stolen goods since it's the product of stolen data by the admission of the designers of the tech.
 

It is both ethically and legally in a grey area most places... I assume the US will either put some kind of regulation on it, or it will just become accepted.

Either way we are YEARS away from a consensus, if ever.

There is no reason for a consensus to emerge. There is nothing problematic in having several distinct societies making different choices, based on whichever is good for them. I'd even say the more important the question, the less likely it is to reach a consensus, since it's not discussed among a few technocratic circles and reaches a wider audience.

The OP even made the question trickier by postulating that the product could be made by the author's estate, training on his work, so it's not even a question about scraping that was necessarily asked. It wouldn't change my purchase decision (since it's based on time saved and quality of the product, which doesn't in this case include fidelity to the original style but only ease of use as a module), and probably not those who are in the "thief, you're stealing from yourself, therefore I feel entitled to steal from you"-mindset, but I guess it might change the position of some customers, assuring they would get something that is close(r) to the style of the author.
 
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