D&D General Attacks and Speed added to the Class Tables

[Corinnguard]

Shouldn't lower level characters be quicker to run away?

Higher level characters would do just the opposite, they would just blur across the battlefield and do their impression of Cuisinart on some unsuspecting foe.

 

[Corinnguard]

What about bringing back 2e's speed factor for weapons in 5e?

 

[Horwath]

What about bringing back 2e's speed factor for weapons in 5e?

this could be done with some kind of variant of morphing 5E Extra attack feature with PF2 multiple attack penalty.

I.E:

1st level fighter:
attacks: 1st attack normal bonus, 2nd attack -5, 3rd attack -10
2nd level: +0,-4,-9
3rd level: +0,-3,-8
4th level: +0,-2,-7
5th level: +0,-1,-6
6th level: +0,+0,-5,-10(+1 attack at normal bonus)
11th level: +0,+0,+0,-5,-10(+1 attack at normal bonus)
16th level: +0,+0,+0,+0,-5,-10(+1 attack at normal bonus)
20th level: +0,+0,+,0+,0,-1,-6

then fast/agile/light weapons could have penalty lessen by 1(2 for 3rd attack) and have extra attack at levels 5,9,13 and 17(one more attack than regular max number of attacks)

very fast weapons could have penalty reduced by 2/4 and have extra attacks at levels 4,7,10,13,16 and 19

slow weapons(heavy) could have penalties increased by 1/2 and have extra attacks at levels 7/13/19

very slow weapons(crossbows/early firearms) can have penalties increased by 2/4 and have extra attacks at levels 8/15


Table:

very fast weapons: attacks at levels: 1/4/7/10/13/16/19
fast weapons: attacks at levels: 1/5/9/13/17
normal weapons: attacks at levels: 1/6/11/16
slow weapons: attacks at levels: 1/7/13/19
very slow weapons: attacks at levels: 1/8/15

 

[Corinnguard]

this could be done with some kind of variant of morphing 5E Extra attack feature with PF2 multiple attack penalty.

I.E:

1st level fighter:
attacks: 1st attack normal bonus, 2nd attack -5, 3rd attack -10
2nd level: +0,-4,-9
3rd level: +0,-3,-8
4th level: +0,-2,-7
5th level: +0,-1,-6
6th level: +0,+0,-5,-10(+1 attack at normal bonus)
11th level: +0,+0,+0,-5,-10(+1 attack at normal bonus)
16th level: +0,+0,+0,+0,-5,-10(+1 attack at normal bonus)
20th level: +0,+0,+,0+,0,-1,-6

then fast/agile/light weapons could have penalty lessen by 1(2 for 3rd attack) and have extra attack at levels 5,9,13 and 17(one more attack than regular max number of attacks)

very fast weapons could have penalty reduced by 2/4 and have extra attacks at levels 4,7,10,13,16 and 19

slow weapons(heavy) could have penalties increased by 1/2 and have extra attacks at levels 7/13/19

very slow weapons(crossbows/early firearms) can have penalties increased by 2/4 and have extra attacks at levels 8/15


Table:

very fast weapons: attacks at levels: 1/4/7/10/13/16/19
fast weapons: attacks at levels: 1/5/9/13/17
normal weapons: attacks at levels: 1/6/11/16
slow weapons: attacks at levels: 1/7/13/19
very slow weapons: attacks at levels: 1/8/15

Back in 2e, a weapon's speed factor affected your place within the initiative timeline. Lighter weapons were quicker to use than heavier weapons in combat. So, if you were armed with a dagger or a rapier, you would be at the top of the initiative timeline whereas a heavier weapon such as a halberd put you toward the bottom.

At least this is how I remembered it way back then. Hehe. I should point out that I prefer Light weapons (Dual Wielder fan here. ) and like being at the top of the initiative timeline.

 

[Minigiant]

I'd love to see rogues at least also get speed bonuses.

I could see a new school simplistic RPG where instead of Moving or Shifting/Withdrawing as a minor action, light/medium armor types like rogues just get bonus speed as they level.

Like right under monks.

Free Dash as bonus action removed

Monk: +15ft speed at level 2. +5ft every 4 levels thereafter.

Barbarians, Ranger Rogue: +10ft speed at level 2. +5ft every 4 levels thereafter.

Artificer, Fighter, Paladin, Warlock: +5ft speed at level 2. +5ft every 4 levels thereafter.

Rest: +10ft speed at level 10

 

[Horwath]

Back in 2e, a weapon's speed factor affected your place within the initiative timeline. Lighter weapons were quicker to use than heavier weapons in combat. So, if you were armed with a dagger or a rapier, you would be at the top of the initiative timeline whereas a heavier weapon such as a halberd put you toward the bottom.

At least this is how I remembered it way back then. Hehe. I should point out that I prefer Light weapons (Dual Wielder fan here. ) and like being at the top of the initiative timeline.

sure, but when you do win initiative, it's still one attack, same as every other weapon.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I could see a new school simplistic RPG where instead of Moving or Shifting/Withdrawing as a minor action, light/medium armor types like rogues just get bonus speed as they level.

Like right under monks.

Free Dash as bonus action removed

Monk: +15ft speed at level 2. +5ft every 4 levels thereafter.

Barbarians, Ranger Rogue: +10ft speed at level 2. +5ft every 4 levels thereafter.

Artificer, Fighter, Paladin, Warlock: +5ft speed at level 2. +5ft every 4 levels thereafter.

Rest: +10ft speed at level 10

i'd add +5ft movespeed as a passive bonus at STR 14, 17 and 20, +5/10ft for proficiency/expertise in athletics and then:

monk - base 40, +5ft every 5 levels

fighter, barb, ranger, rogue - base 30, +5ft every 5 levels

cleric, paladin, bard, artificer - base 25, +5ft every 6 levels

druid, sorcerer, warlock, wizard - base 25