D&D (2024) New Celestials | 2024 Monster Manual | D&D

[dave2008]

Not as ripped as that pegasus.
r/absoluteunits

actually, the pegasus might be bigger (more muscles, etc.) but I would say the solar is definitely more ripped (muscle definition, not size of muscles)

 

[dave2008]

We could stand to see a lot more art of the idealized form. Its called Fantasy folks!

I am not sure what you mean by this, can you clarify.

 

[Charlaquin]

They're wanting to move animal-type monsters with human-like levels of sapience out of the beast category,

I get that, but the Giant category also exists and is not the Beast category.

and are using the Beastlands as one of the likely origins for such creatures.

Ok… I guess that makes some sense, but sucks for anyone who doesn’t want to use the great wheel cosmology…

 

[Reynard]

Ok… I guess that makes some sense, but sucks for anyone who doesn’t want to use the great wheel cosmology…

There is no other cosmology. Even Eberron has been subsumed into it.

 

[dave2008]

I get that, but the Giant category also exists and is not the Beast category.

Ok… I guess that makes some sense, but sucks for anyone who doesn’t want to use the great wheel cosmology…

It is not dependent on the Beastlands though. It is just that they originate from an outer plane. The idea of Beast (at least now) is an non-sapient animal. Sapient animals they have determined have an outer planar origin and are thus Celestials.

 

[dave2008]

There is no other cosmology. Even Eberron has been subsumed into it.

Always was (at least according to Keith).

 

[Kurotowa]

They seemed to make quite a lot of "celestial conflict" in the video. I wonder of there are specific plans for upcoming adventures or anything.

It may just be the latest attempt to solve the "How much Monster Manual page count do you devote to creatures the PCs won't actually be fighting?" quandary. IIRC the 4e MM just left out all the Good aligned creatures, which caused much complaints at the time. The 2014 5e MM put them back in, and now with the 2024 5e MM they may just be trying to do more to justify the page count devoted to Celestials as stats the DM will actually use.

 

[Charlaquin]

It is not dependent on the Beastlands though. It is just that they originate from an outer plane. The idea of Beast (at least now) is a non-sapient animal. Sapient animals they have determined have an outer planar origin and are thus Celestials.

Right, I’m 100% onboard with sapient animals not being classified as beasts. I’m just not sold on celestial being the right alternative. Again, the Giant type exists, and I think would be a better home for these sapient animals, since all of them are, in fact, giant.

 

[Reynard]

Always was (at least according to Keith).

When did he say that. It certainly wasn't in 3.5.

 

[Reynard]

It may just be the latest attempt to solve the "How much Monster Manual page count do you devote to creatures the PCs won't actually be fighting?" quandary. IIRC the 4e MM just left out all the Good aligned creatures, which caused much complaints at the time. The 2014 5e MM put them back in, and now with the 2024 5e MM they may just be trying to do more to justify the page count devoted to Celestials as stats the DM will actually use.

I don't know. they dedicated quite a lot of space to the planes in the DMG too. It feels like they are planning something.