D&D General Chris Perkins and Stan! - previous D&D edition thoughts

[Reynard]

I agree that 5E feels like 2E -- or, more specifically, 5E feels like I remember 2E feeling like. That is an important distinction.

 

[TiQuinn]

Oh geez, not you too, Chris Perkins. Edition warrior badge earned.

I am so, so disappointed by this video. One of my heroes with feet of clay revealed.

I mean, this has been confirmed by Tweet, Heinsoo and Perkins - all designers who were actually in the room for 4e. It was a factor in the design.

 

[Minigiant]

Maybe by 7e, people will realize the "video-gamey design" of 4e was based on video games simulating how D&D players expected and wanting D&D to play.

Like... the Video Games copied D&D, guys.

4e was the grandson copying his uncle who was imitating his grandfather.

 

[Joshua Randall]

Perhaps just accept people opinions on 4e differ? We can all have our own opinions about this without taking it so personally.

Sure, I have opinions about 2e and 5e that are... not positive. But I don't trot out tired old dog-whistle markers of the (very old) / (very new) edition wars about those editions, just to be edgy or whatever.

"4e was like a video game hurr durr guys!" is just weaksauce.

 

[payn]

 

[BigZebra]

Sure, I have opinions about 2e and 5e that are... not positive. But I don't trot out tired old dog-whistle markers of the (very old) / (very new) edition wars about those editions, just to be edgy or whatever.

"4e was like a video game hurr durr guys!" is just weaksauce.

I really can't see he problem here. All the designer taking part in 4e, has talked about how they were inspired in one way or the other by video games.
I mean, I remember the days back then. MMOs were huge and "the new thing" back then. I could totally see how people at WotC looked at that and got inspired. Further, what if they did? It doesn't in any way diminish 4e.

 

[el-remmen]

Part of growing old is accepting you aged out the target market of the most popular pastimes and hobbies.

Thankfully I’ve never wanted to be part of a target market or ever felt that buying anything put out by D&D’s publisher was necessary (or even conducive!) to playing D&D, except maybe for one person to have a PHB or starter set (any edition).

 

[payn]

I really can't see he problem here. All the designer taking part in 4e, has talked about how they were inspired in one way or the other by video games.
I mean, I remember the days back then. MMOs were huge and "the new thing" back then. I could totally see how people at WotC looked at that and got inspired. Further, what if they did? It doesn't in any way diminish 4e.

There was a contingent of folks that latched onto any idea MMO was an influence and beat 4E like a redheaded step child with it. Seems silly today, but at the time MMOs were seen as the enemy of table top gaming. Some folks still have bad memories of those days.

 

[Minigiant]

Thankfully I’ve never wanted to be part of a target market or ever felt that buying anything put out by D&D’s publisher was necessary (or even conducive!) to playing D&D, except maybe for one person to have a PHB or starter set (any edition).

Sure

But books arent created for free.

The second you want a book, you are indirectly telling a company to create a product and market it enough for profit.

 

[Reynard]

There was a contingent of folks that latched onto any idea MMO was an influence and beat 4E like a redheaded step child with it. Seems silly today, but at the time MMOs were seen as the enemy of table top gaming. Some folks still have bad memories of those days.

A lot of the complaints against 4E feel silly today -- and I put myself in that category. I balked hard at 4E after trying it for les time than I should have given it. Then I went on to play Pathfinder for years -- never once managing to complete a campaign.