D&D General No One Reads Conan Now -- So What Are They Reading?

I mean, if we're talking hard-to-get past I honestly found the grimy incel-adjacent ultra-misogyny in some of Vance's works harder to deal with than the casual but not very deep racism and misogyny in REH's Conan stuff, but I haven't read all of either. That said I do think Leiber and Moorcock are more influential on D&D than either (save for the magic system).
Vance's Dying Earth has basically fallen into obscurity and isn't praised in the same way or anywhere near the frequency with which Howard is for Conan... funnily enough the Conan stories I have read left little to no lasting impression on me, unlike The stories of Elric, Corum and Fafhrd/Grey Mouser. That said, Vance's magic system is more foundational to D&D than anything in the Conan stories.
 

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I mean, if we're talking hard-to-get past I honestly found the grimy incel-adjacent ultra-misogyny in some of Vance's works harder to deal with than the casual but not very deep racism and misogyny in REH's Conan stuff, but I haven't read all of either. That said I do think Leiber and Moorcock are more influential on D&D than either (save for the magic system).
Moorcock’s influence can’t be denied. But I have to admit I’ve always had trouble understanding his appeal
 

Pretty sure at this point the circle has closed: Tolkien's influence has become zeitgeist and Howard's has become (at best) background radiation. Through D&D, those sources influenced a huge swathe of video games, and they both influenced the fantasy genre. Then those video games and books/films influenced others, which influenced others. Now those things are cycling around again and influencing D&D.

I am, apparently, now too old to have any idea what the youth think or care about. Personally, I'm just real weary of how oppressively DARK so much of fantasy became in the 80s and 90s, and how those things have now broken containment and spread everywhere, giving us things like Superman interpretations where he's a sullen, moody jerk saving the world because that was the homework his Space Dad assigned him. Feels like everywhere I turn, the only thing people want to offer is WH40k with the serial numbers filed off, and I'm just. so. gorram. sick. of such utterly crapsack, nothing-matters, nothing-changes, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here, "the only stories worth telling are ones where people murder each other for pointless, stupid bovine feces while the world collapses."

My best attempts to describe what I would prefer that isn't this have been instantly written off as either plastic and hollow, or as so overwhelmingly, cloyingly sweet that nobody could stomach them. At the time, my knee-jerk reaction was to say "sounds like what someone who can't see past grimdark gloom would say" but that wasn't kind or productive at the time, and really wasn't accurate either. But it really does seem like trying to have even the TINIEST bit of true sincerity, to have any form of heartfelt message no matter how nuanced and careful, is instantly dismissed as either infantile drivel, obviously a sham, or so painfully saccharine that it would drive off almost everyone.
The level of cynicism you’re describing was common in the 90s and 00s, but sincerity is making a comeback.
 

I'm friends with Rebecca Yaros' agent. If the house she bought is any indication, people are reading the Fourth Wing books.
There was a NYT article about Rebecca Yarros recently; I believe they said "Onyx Storm" sold 2.7 million copies in its first week, which is the most books sold for adult fiction since BookScan started tracking print sales in the mid '00s.
 


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This meme most reflects Sword Art Online and its ilk. It is pure disappointment.
I have no issue with cool stuff and major characters embodying the classical Roman virtue of gravity, but I demand substance, not the kind of drek of old net fan fiction where the guy is just a martyr stu.
 

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Good question! I've finished the Saga of the Forgotten Warrior recently, and before that I read the latest Greatcoats book. Very different styles of book but both excellent. Just opened up the second book in Sanderson's series because of the RPG. I keep seeing books from authors I follow so it's been difficult to make time for it.

Both Forgotten Warrior and the Greatcoats books would be something gamers would enjoy a ton.
 


fiction reading rates are dropping

I wonder if this has anything to do with audiobooks. I know for me, I listen to a large number of audiobooks while working or traveling, because I can do so while doing another activity. Just a random thought.

As for what Im reading, I'm reading "A Betrayal in Winter" by Daniel Abraham. And I am listening to "A Wise Man's Fear" by Patrick Rothfuss. Both are parts of series, enjoying both.
 

I wonder if this has anything to do with audiobooks. I know for me, I listen to a large number of audiobooks while working or traveling, because I can do so while doing another activity. Just a random thought.
I think audiobooks are a symptom, not the cause. Our lives are much busier than they used to be, with a great deal of cultural pressure towards productivity, which coupled with shortening attention spans makes very uncomfortable with inactivity. We want information quickly, and we don’t want to just be passively consuming it; we feel the need to at least multitask while we consume that media. Hence, audiobooks become popular.
 

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