WotC Mike Mearls: "D&D Is Uncool Again"

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In Mike Mearls' recent interview with Ben Riggs, he talks about how he feels that Dungeons & Dragons has had its moment, and is now uncool again. Mearls was one of the lead designers of D&D 5E and became the franchise's Creative Director in 2018. He worked at WotC until he was laid off in 2023. He is now EP of roleplaying games at Chaosium, the publisher of Call of Chulhu.

My theory is that when you look back at the OGL, the real impact of it is that it made D&D uncool again. D&D was cool, right? You had Joe Manganiello and people like that openly talking about playing D&D. D&D was something that was interesting, creative, fun, and different. And I think what the OGL did was take that concept—that Wizards and this idea of creativity that is inherent in the D&D brand because it's a roleplaying game, and I think those two things were sundered. And I don’t know if you can ever put them back together.

I think, essentially, it’s like that phrase: The Mandate of Heaven. I think fundamentally what happened was that Wizards has lost the Mandate of Heaven—and I don’t see them even trying to get it back.

What I find fascinating is that it was Charlie Hall who wrote that article. This is the same Charlie Hall who wrote glowing reviews of the 5.5 rulebooks. And then, at the same time, he’s now writing, "This is your chance because D&D seems to be stumbling." How do you square that? How do I go out and say, "Here are the two new Star Wars movies. They’re the best, the most amazing, the greatest Star Wars movies ever made. By the way, Star Wars has never been weaker. Now is the time for other sci-fi properties", like, to me that doesn’t make any sense! To me, it’s a context thing again.

Maybe this is the best Player’s Handbook ever written—but the vibes, the audience, the people playing these games—they don’t seem excited about it. We’re not seeing a groundswell of support and excitement. Where are the third-party products? That’s what I'd ask. Because that's what you’d think, "oh, there’s a gap", I mean remember before the OGL even came up, back when 3.0 launched, White Wolf had a monster book. There were multiple adventures at Gen Con. The license wasn’t even official yet, and there were already adventures showing up in stores. We're not seeing that, what’s ostensibly the new standard going forward? If anything, we’re seeing the opposite—creators are running in the opposite direction. I mean, that’s where I’m going.

And hey—to plug my Patreon—patreon.com/mikemearls (one word). This time last year, when I was looking at my post-Wizards options, I thought, "Well, maybe I could start doing 5E-compatible stuff." And now what I’m finding is…I just don’t want to. Like—it just seems boring. It’s like trying to start a hair metal band in 1992. Like—No, no, no. Everyone’s mopey and we're wearing flannel. It's Seattle and rain. It’s Nirvana now, man. It’s not like Poison. And that’s the vibe I get right now, yeah, Poison was still releasing albums in the ’90s. They were still selling hundreds of thousands or a million copies. But they didn’t have any of the energy. It's moved on. But what’s interesting to me is that roleplaying game culture is still there. And that’s what I find fascinating about gaming in general—especially TTRPGs. I don’t think we’ve ever had a period where TTRPGs were flourishing, and had a lot of energy and excitement around them, and D&D wasn’t on the upswing. Because I do think that’s what’s happening now. We’re in very strange waters where I think D&D is now uncool.
 

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I didn't tell anyone to shut up, I asked a question.
and the question was ‘why do you not shut up already?’, just phrased nicer (‘If you're so unhappy with the game and the direction it's taken why continue playing? If you don't play why insist on posting on a thread dedicated to the game?’)

I don't care how you play the game and have repeatedly stated so. That doesn't mean I can't disagree with someone calling another person's style of gaming time-wasting slop.
you are welcome to disagree with Mearls all day long
 

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and the question was ‘why do you not shut up already?’, just phrased nicer (‘If you're so unhappy with the game and the direction it's taken why continue playing? If you don't play why insist on posting on a thread dedicated to the game?’)

Sometimes a question is just a question.
 




I'll never understand all of the anti-story people.

Play the game how you like of course....but in the end....don't you have a story to tell that you were all part of?
I do not see people as anti-story. It's just that few people like reading a book or watching a movie/show where they know that the characters are always safe.
 


I do not see people as anti-story. It's just that few people like reading a book or watching a movie/show where they know that the characters are always safe.
When I said anti-story I meant people who think RPGs aren’t a story. Not that they are against stories. Poor choice of words to be sure.
 

Technically it wasn't the threat of death. The death happened. What was threatened at that point was defeat, a fail state, and so a desire to come out the victor was promoted.
I think that's a bit of nitpicking here. Death happened very easily (three players in one round, presumably by one antagonist) and thus can very easily happen to the rest of the party as well.

I mean, maybe it was a fluke. I don't know what edition or system he was using. In 5e, which this game presumably wasn't, decapitation via vorpal sword only happens on a nat 20, and I have a hard time that the bad guy managed to roll three of those in a single turn. If I was in a game where that happened, I'd definitely feel threatened here: "Wow, I'm in a system where it's super-easy to kill PCs."
 

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