D&D General How much do you care about rule change specifics?

[Li Shenron]

So I am just curious how much other folks actually care about rule changes between supplements and revisions and half editions. Does it actually bother you?

Yes. I prefer the clarity and honesty of a new edition. Whether I would like such edition or not is another matter. I detest the idea of "patching" an edition.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

I suspect once new and Shiney glows wears off more people will pick ip on this.

On paper new class design is great. My PCs have reached level 8 and yeah it'd getting rough. They haven't even powerfamed that much.

5.5 is very high powered. Perhaps exceeding 3.5 (less complex).

In effect I suspect they've made my job harder.
It's not impossible we will stick with 5.0 treating 5 5 as errata to use as a buffet.

Have you been using the new encounter guidelines and monsters?

 

[Zardnaar]

Have you been using the new encounter guidelines and monsters?

New monsters yes, guidelines no.

My encounters are basically deadly by default under the old rules.

Last week only 1 combat 1 CR8 and 5 CR 5/6 types. Wasn't intended to be a hard fight. No idea what that encounter is under new rules.

This session coukd be an outright stinker. May take 2 sessions but I've prepped around 8 combats and similar amount of red hearings.

Theoretically they cam encounter the lot starting off similar to last week but going up to groups of CR 8 and 10 with 6+ CR 1-6 mooks.

Bosses are CR 15/16 iirc.

Lair actions also involved.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

No clue what the player levels are so no way to judge that.

 

[AlViking]

They overkilled it.

2024 classes and 2014 classes were supposed to be playable together. Technically you can, but due to the power creep you're nerfing yourself 9 times out of 10 if you choose the 2014 option.

Monks are great in 2014 and IMO never needed an upgrade. Now they are considered OP by many players who even like more OP-style games.

Weapon masteries added another level of complexity which some people have been complaining slow things down from the beginning.

It wasn't that they didn't make the attempt, which hey, yes, great, they did, but they went about it the wrong way for some people, and those are the one who'll complain about it.


Exactly. A lot of people do like it, but a number of people don't. Fortunately, nothing is stopping them (including myself) from just sticking with 2014 material. It does, however, mean we aren't likely to get new material for our games from WotC--and that is a problem IMO.

It sucks for myself and others like me, but such is life. Hey, I've been dealing with it for over two decades now.

You can't please everyone and if you try you often end up pleasing no one.

 

[AlViking]

I suspect once new and Shiney glows wears off more people will pick ip on this.

On paper new class design is great. My PCs have reached level 8 and yeah it'd getting rough. They haven't even powerfamed that much.

5.5 is very high powered. Perhaps exceeding 3.5 (less complex).

In effect I suspect they've made my job harder.
It's not impossible we will stick with 5.0 treating 5 5 as errata to use as a buffet.

Time will tell but other than a broken spell or ability or two such as the summon(?) thingy I haven't encountered yet it seems like they fixed some things too like clarifying that a simulacrum cannot cast the simulacrum spell and sharpshooter got a necessary downgrade. Meanwhile I can always house rule anything truly broken like I always have and the monsters also got some upgrades in power, if not CR. Ask me again in about 6 months when my players are higher level.

 

[Zardnaar]

Time will tell but other than a broken spell or ability or two such as the summon(?) thingy I haven't encountered yet it seems like they fixed some things too like clarifying that a simulacrum cannot cast the simulacrum spell and sharpshooter got a necessary downgrade. Meanwhile I can always house rule anything truly broken like I always have and the monsters also got some upgrades in power, if not CR. Ask me again in about 6 months when my players are higher level.

A lot looks good but yeah new and shiny. My opinion might change in 6 months.

 

[AlViking]

Last comments not accurate imho.

5E peaked few years ago,reception of 5.5 is mixed espicual cf vs 5.0 (mostly positive), and 5E (mostly negative).

It was selling well but we will see if it can keep it up.

Do you have some super secret insider info on how well things are selling? Because anything publicly reported that I know of is just speculation with no supporting data or has been outright debunked. We know the physical books sold out the first printing far more quickly than expected, other than that we sadly don't have any solid numbers. I don't really care but if you're going to claim someone's statements are inaccurate it seems like you should have some support for the statement other then guessing.

 

[Zardnaar]

Do you have some super secret insider info on how well things are selling? Because anything publicly reported that I know of is just speculation with no supporting data or has been outright debunked. We know the physical books sold out the first printing far more quickly than expected, other than that we sadly don't have any solid numbers. I don't really care but if you're going to claim someone's statements are inaccurate it seems like you should have some support for the statement other then guessing.

We know when peak D&D was.

We're not to sure one way or another with 5.5. They claimed right now is peak D&D. It may be but it's not certain.

We know 5.5 outsold 5.0 3 to 1 early on. Markets ten times bigger though so you know.

Outside echo chamber here 5.5 receptions more mixed. It's not like 5.0 relentless positivity or 4E negativity.

It's probably selling well how long that keeps up no idea.

Perception can be reality and online turned on D&D around the ogl debacle.

 

[Micah Sweet]

You can't please everyone and if you try you often end up pleasing no one.

While that's true, it seems your implication here is there are exactly two ways to do it: the 5.0 way and the 5.5 way, and you have to pick one. I don't think so.