WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[Scribe]

They used it without permission or compensation, and without providing credit.

What would you call that?

Clearly just borrowed, after all if you send in the right prompt, you'll get it right back!

 

[The Firebird]

They used it without permission or compensation, and without providing credit.

What would you call that?

Piracy would be appropriate

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Piracy would be appropriate

Except that piracy evokes something intrinsicly illegal: it's an overused rhetoric to call something one doesn't like by the name of a crime. There is nothing illegal in training a model through scraping in several countries. Scraping or datamining would be appropriate, since it doesn't carry the same bagage.

 

[The Firebird]

Except that piracy evokes something intrinsicly illegal: it's an overused rhetoric to call something one doesn't like by the name of a crime. There is nothing illegal in training a model through scraping in several countries. Scraping or datamining would be appropriate, since it doesn't carry the same bagage.

True for the web scraping datasets. LibGen is more questionable.

In the sciences, in my experience, most researchers use piracy to access research; internet piracy of this type is almost certainly a net benefit to scientific progress. So I don't have a particular issue with piracy.

That is why I asked if the issue was just piracy narrowly defined or web scraping more broadly. I suspect most people with concerns are worried about web scraping as well.

 

[Incenjucar]

Except that piracy evokes something intrinsicly illegal: it's an overused rhetoric to call something one doesn't like by the name of a crime. There is nothing illegal in training a model through scraping in several countries. Scraping or datamining would be appropriate, since it doesn't carry the same bagage.

Unjust enrichment.

 

[Faolyn]

Except that piracy evokes something intrinsicly illegal: it's an overused rhetoric to call something one doesn't like by the name of a crime. There is nothing illegal in training a model through scraping in several countries. Scraping or datamining would be appropriate, since it doesn't carry the same bagage.

Again, please explain how using someone's work without notification, permission, or compensation is acceptable.

 

[The Firebird]

Again, please explain how using someone's work without notification, permission, or compensation is acceptable.

How do you feel about someone downloading a pdf of a RPG book from online and using it for their game? What if it prompts some thoughts that they eventually put into their own product?

 

[Scribe]

How do you feel about someone downloading a pdf of a RPG book from online and using it for their game? What if it prompts some thoughts that they eventually put into their own product?

Did they pay for it?

 

[Faolyn]

How do you feel about someone downloading a pdf of a RPG book from online and using it for their game? What if it prompts some thoughts that they eventually put into their own product?

Not only "did they pay for it" but is it a book that's currently in print and being sold somewhere?

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Again, please explain how using someone's work without notification, permission, or compensation is acceptable.

Much like any other limitation to copyright: the legislator determined boundaries on what the creator of an intellectual work can choose to limit (and asks compensation for), based on the collective benefits (or lack thereof) of granting copyright protection against a type of use. For example, in many juridictions, it is acceptable to have his work quoted, parodied, used in a teaching context, stored in a national library, copied for private use, copied within a familial group, used for a judicial proceeding, copied if it is standing in the full view of the public, copied after a variable period of time (sometimes depending on the lifespan of the author and whether he died in a war), copied into a format accessible to blind people... Not all juridictions will have all these exceptions, of course, depending on whether the local legislator deemed it useful enough for society to allow the creator of the work to decide whether it's allowed or not. Adding "for the purpose of training AI" to the list is just adding one item to an already long list of things the legislator didn't decide to forbid.

Whether the legislators are right or wrong in their determination is political and I won't discuss it here.