Star Wars: Starfighter

[Older Beholder]

Sorry, but this is just inaccurate. Only Ridley and Tran were "unknowns" from that list, in the Hollywood sense of "unknown", which appears to be how you're using the term. Even having been in smaller or indie movies, but ones which were critically acclaimed and which were actually shown in cinemas means you're not an "unknown". It seems the logic you're applying is "unless you were in a blockbuster in a major role you're an 'unknown'", which is... not a good usage of the term.

Up-and-coming would be accurate for most of those (Diego Luna is a highly experienced actor and was even then, just not in English-language, so it would be fair to say "up and coming in Hollywood").

No need to be sorry, you’re right. Up-and-comers, would have been a better description, or maybe just lesser known actors. Out of interest, is it accurate to say Ford was an unknown, his credits included American Graffiti and The Conversation? (I haven’t seen either film in a long time, and can’t really recall if he had a large role in them or not)

I was a huge fan of Adam Driver from Girls, I was so keen to see him in the role of Kyle Ren, and he didn’t disappoint.

My apologies to the actors I mentioned that were not unknowns.

And for the record, I have no problem watching actors play different roles without being taken out of a film. It would be funny if Ryan Gosling ended up playing an alien or a droid where he’s completely unrecognisable anyway. Although I can’t see that happening.

 

[pukunui]

It would be funny if Ryan Gosling ended up playing an alien or a droid where he’s completely unrecognisable anyway. Although I can’t see that happening.

I can’t see that happening here either but there is precedent for it (e.g. Simon Pegg and Nick Frost).

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Out of interest, is it accurate to say Ford was an unknown, his credits included American Graffiti and The Conversation? (I haven’t seen either film in a long time, and can’t really recall if he had a large role in them or not)

I read that it was a "significant role" but I also haven't seen American Graffiti since the 1990s so I can't really judge. Both him and Carrie Fisher essentially had one "significant" non-starring movie role, so I think the term that might have been used was the now less-popular "relative unknown", which is for when an actor can't honestly be called an unknown, but hasn't been in much of note, particularly not in memorable roles (I checked Variety - over 2000 hits on the phrase "relative unknown" and unlike most people they're still using it!). Mark Hamill had only non-starring TV roles (except in a sitcom which only last 8 episode because it got absolutely destroyed by The Rockford Files*).

Looking this up I was fascinated to learn Robert Englund (i.e. Freddie!) got Mark Hamill to go audition for Luke!

* = I only ever watched a little of it in the early 1990s, but The Rockford Files seemed waaaaay above most 1970s TV in quality/style/charm, so I can see why people were tuning in to it.

 

[Older Beholder]

I can’t see that happening here either but there is precedent for it (e.g. Simon Pegg and Nick Frost).

I read that Daniel Craig was playing the storm trooper that Rey first uses a Jedi Mind trick on to release her.
But yeah, you wouldn't hire Ryan Goslings face and then put it under a rubber alien head.

 

[pukunui]

I read that Daniel Craig was playing the storm trooper that Rey first uses a Jedi Mind trick on to release her.

Yes, him too.

But yeah, you wouldn't hire Ryan Goslings face and then put it under a rubber alien head.

Exactly.

 

[Older Beholder]

Looking this up I was fascinated to learn Robert Englund (i.e. Freddie!) got Mark Hamill to go audition for Luke!

Wow! That's a cool little piece of trivia, I might have to google that.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm sorry, but if you think Felicity Jones was the biggest actor involved with the Disney Star Wars movies, your perspective is completely skewed, to the point of being deeply unhelpful to this argument.

Both Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver were much better-known "up and coming" actors, and you seem to discounting Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammill entirely, which is pretty wild.

As for "blockbuster movies" - with young actors that's usually the case - it's a very tiny subset of young actors that are in multiple blockbusters. So that's not really relevant or helpful.


Sorry, but this is just inaccurate. Only Ridley and Tran were "unknowns" from that list, in the Hollywood sense of "unknown", which appears to be how you're using the term. Even having been in smaller or indie movies, but ones which were critically acclaimed and which were actually shown in cinemas means you're not an "unknown". It seems the logic you're applying is "unless you were in a blockbuster in a major role you're an 'unknown'", which is... not a good usage of the term.

Up-and-coming would be accurate for most of those (Diego Luna is a highly experienced actor and was even then, just not in English-language, so it would be fair to say "up and coming in Hollywood").


I'm sure that's true for you but I think it's fair to say that probably isn't true for the vast majority of people who watch movies. So I'm not sure that it's particularly relevant, and insulting him for an exceptionally good performance in a relatively good movie is truly silly.

Up and coming vs huge was what we were talking about.

Unknown to general audience main criteria.

A lot of them are well regarded but they're not exactly big names on big movies. Adam Drivers had 3 flops on a row or something similar.

He's really good. Huge even now very debatable imho.

 

[Older Beholder]

Up and coming vs huge was what we were talking about.

Unknown to general audience main criteria.

A lot of them are well regarded but they're not exactly big names on big movies. Adam Drivers had 3 flops on a row or something similar.

He's really good. Huge even now very debatable imho.

Who's had the best career post Star Wars would be an interesting topic of discussion.
I'd have to give it some thought.

Somewhat related: I keep forgetting Felicity Jones was in The Brutalist.

 

[pukunui]

Who's had the best career post Star Wars would be an interesting topic of discussion.

Probably Harrison Ford.

 

[Zardnaar]

Probably Harrison Ford.

Not much probably on that one imho. He was legit huge post Star Wars.