WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[Jfdlsjfd]

if the artist doesn't want to be complicit in this they need to stop displaying their artwork.

Indeed. That's basically how it works within the EU TDM exception for non-profit AI training. Opt-out exist against commercial use, but you can't opt out, once your work has been published, of AI training for research purpose or when done by cultural heritage institutions. Much like you couldn't prevent one from doing a copy for private use of your work displayed on the Internet since 2001. (TBH I doubt you could have opposed it before 2001, but it wasn't explicitely written in the law until then so it was more a gray area).

If you don't want to enjoy the rights associated with copyright protection, and concede the counterpart for those rights granted upon publishing, don't publish the work.

 

[Metroido]

So, you do realize that different things need to be named by other names for a useful (or, actually, any) discussion to happen, since you're bothered when someone uses theft to describe being inspired by a piece of art without compensation. Much like I am saying with theft and AI training. We're making progress.

Note that I am not disputing your right to call AI training morally aborrhent. It's just not theft, nor it is jaywalking, embezzlement, or tax fraud.

Where did you you pull that from?

The way AI learns to generate art is based on theft of the works of other artists.

The way AI learns to generate art is NOTHING like how a human learns to draw.

LOOK AT AND READ ALL THE SAMPLE PAGES (Spoiler: it's nothing about copying other people's work):

https://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-sketching-environments-imagination/dp/1933492732/ref=sr_1_1?crid=21OQCNZJ3EFZS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nw_5smvyXtdsseuj5vaxf7Ypa5Wbz8QT-8neHH5XYoeX_JhFCMtI7zICpOTiXB6oLiHfrZp_NOfXL5EFGZsPZTDpYSPUWKWZOjz-g8oCkOVmh1WvBhElgNr-5zEhATlEMg4bdQy3BXUwCPAUPBmQ6ARYgHx4n0z2VDUtw4HxrjdaKWH77d__wIOBfrd6Gwdttj1QEAJOWbsXE88dCMqBg4n5ubrE9XfYEcAtY9aYzCM.HMsMp9NKjkqVpkNwklM2P0xI-B4GLkAjplmQcpHAYrI&dib_tag=se&keywords=scott+robertson&qid=1745359680&sprefix=%2Caps%2C247&sr=8-1

 

[Jfdlsjfd]

Theft: substracting a physical property from someone unlawfully. The complete notion is divorced from nonrival goods and immaterial property. That's why we created copyright in the 18th century, because before it was created, people could just copy the text of a play and actors could play it in theaters forever without compensating the author -- and most of the art we still enjoy today was created before copyright was created. The owners of a book were the printers who printed copies of it (physical books that could be stolen) -- and even before, the people who took a pen quill and copied it by hand. If it was possible to steal the play from the author, they'd have sued for theft. But they couldn't. Because the notion doesn't apply and can't apply.

If you're using it metaphorically, as in "someone stole my heart", sure, OK, but it's not the same thing as accusing someone of theft.

 

[Necropolitan]

Theft: removing a physical property from someone unlawfully. The complete notion is divorced from nonrival good and immaterial property. That's why we created copyright, because before it was created, people could just copy the text of a play and actors could play it in theaters forever without compensating the author. If it was possible to steal the play from the author, they'd have sued for theft. But they couldn't. Because the notion doesn't apply and can't apply.

If you're using it metaphorically, as in "someone stole my heart", sure, OK, but it's not the same thing as accusing someone of theft.

Stop playing word games, it's theft of intellectual property.

 

[Metroido]

Where did you you pull that from?

The way AI learns to generate art is based on theft of the works of other artists.

The way AI learns to generate art is NOTHING like how a human learns to draw.

LOOK AT AND READ ALL THE SAMPLE PAGES (Spoiler: it's nothing about copying other people's work):

https://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-sketching-environments-imagination/dp/1933492732/ref=sr_1_1?crid=21OQCNZJ3EFZS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nw_5smvyXtdsseuj5vaxf7Ypa5Wbz8QT-8neHH5XYoeX_JhFCMtI7zICpOTiXB6oLiHfrZp_NOfXL5EFGZsPZTDpYSPUWKWZOjz-g8oCkOVmh1WvBhElgNr-5zEhATlEMg4bdQy3BXUwCPAUPBmQ6ARYgHx4n0z2VDUtw4HxrjdaKWH77d__wIOBfrd6Gwdttj1QEAJOWbsXE88dCMqBg4n5ubrE9XfYEcAtY9aYzCM.HMsMp9NKjkqVpkNwklM2P0xI-B4GLkAjplmQcpHAYrI&dib_tag=se&keywords=scott+robertson&qid=1745359680&sprefix=%2Caps%2C247&sr=8-1

Heh, the little kid blocked me. Oh well. Arguing with him was like playing chess with a pigeon anyway. He would just knock all the pieces over, crap all over the board, and then strut around like he won anyway.

 

[Desdichado]

Stop playing word games, it's theft of intellectual property.

Your head is so far up... excuse me, so far down the rabbit hole, that you can't even see that he's calling you out for playing word games. Using words correctly is not "word games". Using emotionally laden but dialectically bankrupt words to score cheap rhetorical points is the word game. That's what you're doing. That's what the RIAA and other organizations have been doing since the 90s at least. But just because it's become commonplace doesn't make something that is the polar opposite of correct suddenly become correct. You can't say something was stolen if you still have it.

 

[gnarlygninja]

That's what the RIAA and other organizations have been doing since the 90s at least. But just because it's become commonplace doesn't make something that is the polar opposite of correct suddenly become correct.

This is, in fact, how that works.

 

[Faolyn]

Not entirely. You just have to keep it off the internet.

Ah, victim-blaming.

 

[The Firebird]

That's where your disconnect is. For you this is just a "hobby." For some of us this is our livelihood, our way of life, and our very survival. The way some of you all are so dismissive of that is rather cruel, especially when you supposedly care about this so-called community.

I'm sorry. I think the use of generative AI will have negative effects on the job market for artists and you are entirely right to be upset about that.

I don't think marveling at other people's (presumed) lack of talent helps anyone.

 

[Metroido]

I'm sorry. I think the use of generative AI will have negative effects on the job market for artists and you are entirely right to be upset about that.

I don't think marveling at other people's (presumed) lack of talent helps anyone.

I don't think any of us were marveling at anyone's lack of talent, presumed or otherwise. I think maybe there is a real misunderstanding somewhere.