WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[LordEntrails]

I know its hard to see now, but there is a better path for our current society. We do not need to race to the bottom with AI generated content that people could, and should, be paid a living wage for.

As I've asked many times and have even tried to suggest some points. What is this path you see? Destroying the machines like the Luddites did won't work. So what do you see the future to hold and how to get there?

Given they can only regurgitate what they have been shown, and often verbatim, it is clearly a different circumstance than a human taking inspiration from another creator.

Have you ever participated in the growth and learning of an infant? Same thing. AI is still just an infant.

There is a big difference between "drawing inspiration from" something and "actively taking something without permission."

Please explain.

Also, I'm pretty sure that most farmers are OK with tractors replacing their labor, and most families are OK with laundry machines replacing their labor, and so on. How many actual artists and writers are OK with AI replacing them?

This is an interesting point. The farmers certainly were, but were the laborers in the fields who lost their jobs? What about the wash women? Of course, now we often wash out clothes after a single day of wearing them, not a few months.

And in this hypothetical, how much of the final product is going to be original and how much will be AI?

I don't know, how much of your words are original and not re-hashing of what someone else wrote at another time and place? Our words and thoughts might be original in that I have not said them in this form before, but it is unlikely they are unique and have not been said in near identical fashion by someone sonewhere at some time in the past.

That's another bad thing about AI: you're using it as an alternative to actually learn and improve.

Why should I want to learn and improve upon a skill I don't want to learn? There are many things I can spend my time on. Why would I want to learn a skill that may well be mostly obsolete in a few years?

You want to learn how to draw? You need: something to draw with and something to draw on.

But I don't.

All you need is time.

Ok, but why would I want to spend my time doing that?

Do you see the re-occurring issue here? Yes their is an idealist altruistic value in learning an artistic skill. But their has to be worth or value in doing so to the person investing their time to learn that skill. Do you understand that many people don't want to make that investment? Especially when their are tools they can get something good enough?

To me, a company using AI would be about as tacky as if they used nothing but a box of cheap clip art, like the type they used to sell in boxes of CD-ROMs at Staples. Cheap junk that isn't worth whatever the company is trying to charge for it.

Sure, but why should your standards be forced upon everyone? Maybe some folks are happy with a $0.99 taco that's ready in 2 minutes and not one for $14.99 that take s45 minutes to come to your table.

What I said is simple: Folks have a choice with what to do with their time. Spend it wisely.

And how is spending hundreds of hours to learn to do something wise if you can get something acceptable in a minutes? Sure, if you are going to end up faster, better, etc then you can say their is a return on investment and spending your time learning that skill is wise. But...?

I never placed any monetary "value" on art in my previous statement, as the emphasis of the post was on appreciating what little time you have on this earth (but I guess you glossed over that part).

I certainly don't think I put any words in your mouth, I certainly didn't intend to. And I used the term "worth", not "Monetary "Value"". Not all worth is measured in monetary value.

And yeah, this is happening, I know a lot of people are these days reluctant to post their art online.

I'm familiar with artists going back to the 1980s who have refused to put their art on the internet, or even allow people to take pictures of their work at shows. Most of them are still unknown.

 

[Necropolitan]

If you want something done for you then you should pay for it, not steal the work other people did.

 

[Morrus]

Have you ever participated in the growth and learning of an infant? Same thing. AI is still just an infant.

Not the same thing. Not at all. The whole "AI is just doing what people do" canard really needs to stop being parrotted around like it's fact. It's not. What an AI does to scrape content and produce outputs isn't even vaguely similar to what human beings do.

 

[Scribe]

As I've asked many times and have even tried to suggest some points. What is this path you see? Destroying the machines like the Luddites did won't work. So what do you see the future to hold and how to get there?

Do not support companies using AI to generate content which is intended to replace the efforts of artists trying to make a living wage.

There is zero requirement to support these companies. We, humans, can do everything Wizards can do and its proven every day.

 

[Scribe]

I guess I dont even understand how this is a question. Honestly.

Did we have AI when D&D was created? Did we have AI when Elmore was painting novel covers? Did we have AI generating 5e? LevelUp? Shadowdark?

How about this.

Instead of asking 'why not' someone tell me why I would ever pay Wizards for AI generated text (rules/lore) or art when I know that by doing so, they are depriving a person of pay.

 

[Luxor the Moonprince]

I guess I dont even understand how this is a question. Honestly.

Did we have AI when D&D was created? Did we have AI when Elmore was painting novel covers? Did we have AI generating 5e? LevelUp? Shadowdark?

How about this.

Instead of asking 'why not' someone tell me why I would ever pay Wizards for AI generated text (rules/lore) or art when I know that by doing so, they are depriving a person of pay.

Because I'm paying to enjoy what I buy, so if it is made by AI, and it is made well, I'm fine with it.

 

[Luxor the Moonprince]

Instead of asking 'why not' someone tell me why I would ever pay Wizards for AI generated text (rules/lore) or art when I know that by doing so, they are depriving a person of pay.

Probably someone else is being paid for generating good art, searching for good AI prompts. It's called job recycling. It always happens when new technologies come to our lives.

 

[Scribe]

Probably someone else is being paid for generating good art, searching for good AI prompts. It's called job recycling. It always happens when new technologies come to our lives.

Why would someone get paid for this, when its literally something we can do with a click while we sit in a meeting?

 

[Luxor the Moonprince]

Why would someone get paid for this, when its literally something we can do with a click while we sit in a meeting?

Probably if you just do like you say, your output will have a low quality. Generating quality images requires some skills.

 

[Scribe]

Probably if you just do like you say, your output will have a low quality. Generating quality images requires some skills.

I'm not seeing it. All it really takes is iteration, and eventually an ability to iterate a single image. I think the new paid for Dall-E does this even.

Its not a talent at all. I know this, as I do not have any artistic talent, and I have had it generate stuff better than what Wizards has provided.