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Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties

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Goodman Games has issued another statement regarding the situation surrounding its upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunder.

Goodman Games CEO Joseph Goodman opened by saying "I was personally very affected by the comments because many of the people I know and love are in the groups that were heavily affected so I don't agree with the bigotry, I don't agree with the transphobia, I don't agree with the homophobia, I don't agree with the racism, I don't agree with any of it and I don't want to be associated with it and I don't want any money from Goodman Games to ever fund it or be perceived as funding it."

The short version of the statement --
  • The funds which would have gone to Judges Guild (which appears to be 10% of the Kickstarter) will be placed in an escrow account managed by Goodman Games. Those funds will be used to reimburse the backers of the earlier unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter.
  • The print run will be limited to ensure that once those backers have been reimbursed, no further revenue will be generated. This ensures that Judges Guild will not make a profit on this project.
  • If in some way the Kickstarter does exceed this threshold, Goodman Games is legally obligated to pay the excess royalties to Judges Guild. However, Goodman Games will match that excess with a charity donation.


Hi everyone,

Over the last day, I’ve been listening and reading the comments made in relation to our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project. Many of you have legitimate questions which we could have done a better job addressing initially. I realize that, in the initial rollout, I should have better explained how Goodman Games plans to publish this product in a way aligned with our company’s core values.

A common sentiment in many comments is: “How do you know the royalties will be used as intended?” As we shared yesterday, our agreement with Judges Guild is that royalties from “our” 5E+DCC City State of the Invincible Overlord will be used to repay unfulfilled backers from “their” Pathfinder CSIO Kickstarter from many years ago. There is legitimate concern from many commentators asking how we will ensure that would happen and ensuring that no funds are used for any other purpose. I and the entire Goodman Games team personally agree, as we do not want any funds from a Goodman Games project (this or any other) used for any causes or purposes related to the things that we are diametrically opposed to. (Including antisemitism, racism, homophobia, or other bigoted causes.) Concerns about funds being used for other purposes by other parties have been taken very seriously.

Therefore, Goodman Games will set up an escrow account specifically to receive any royalties due to Judges Guild. Effective immediately we will take over administering the refund process for the 2014 Judges Guild “Pathfinder edition” CSIO campaign. All royalties generated from “our” 5E+DCC CSIO campaign will be paid directly into this account. No royalties will be paid directly to Judges Guild.

We will limit the number of copies printed of “our” CSIO project to ensure royalties do not exceed the “full refund threshold” of the original Pathfinder CSIO campaign. In other words, if every single backer of the original campaign requests a refund, and we sell our entire print run, the full value of refunds will be granted and not a cent will be left over for additional royalty payments.

All reimbursements to backers of the previous Pathfinder campaign will come from this escrow account, managed by Goodman Games and overseen by a third party to ensure the funds are used as intended with no other parties being a part of this process.

For the record: Goodman Games has no access to the original Judges Guild Pathfinder Kickstarter campaign. We were not part of it. Operationally, legally, morally and financially we have no connection to it (other than this new development). We are unable to access backer records. Currently we would ask that backers of that original project email info@goodman-games.com and include a screen capture of their original pledge info, with backer number as well as full name and mailing address. (This email address may change as we set up the mechanisms to deal with this process.) We will begin to process refunds following the close and settlement of the crowdfunding campaign. To the extent that the funds accrued in the Judges Guild royalty escrow account cover some or all refund requests, we will administer an evenly prorated amount or a full refund.

The goal of this post is to answer any remaining questions, so here is an answer to one more that I anticipate. “What happens to any money left in the escrow account after the refunds are paid out?” The “Pathfinder edition” CSIO project generated $85k in revenue. For “our” project to generate $85k in royalty payments, it would have to break $850,000, which would be an extraordinary campaign. I think it’s highly unlikely that will happen.

However, it has been represented to me that Judges Guild has already refunded some of the original Pathfinder backers, so perhaps the total refund requests will be less than $85k. And perhaps “our” campaign will do better than expected, generating a larger-than-expected royalty payment. The combination of these two factors means it’s possible there will be money left in the escrow account.

We are legally obligated to pay those funds to Judges Guild. If that happens, Goodman Games will match that remaining payment with a donation to a charitable cause that supports our values of inclusivity. We have requested that Judges Guild make a similar donation.

We will also be limiting the print run of the campaign to manage the amount of royalties generated by this campaign so that there should be no excess. This campaign will be a “one-and-done” print run. PDF copies of the materials will only be sold during this crowdfunding campaign. There will be no additional printing. If the crowdfunding backers do not pledge for the entire print run, the remaining printed copies will be sold into distribution to generate funds for the remaining reimbursements of the “Pathfinder edition.”

I hope this addresses the concern around “where the money goes.” If there are other questions I can address, please send them our way and I’ll try to address those too. As we said yesterday when the events of 2020 occurred, we had several projects in the works related to the Judges Guild property. This is the last former Judges Guild product Goodman Games will be publishing that we do not own the rights to. We have rights to other products, which we do not intend to develop.

The original City State of the Invincible Overlord, as first designed by Bob Bledsaw Sr and Bill Owen in 1977, is an amazing piece of TTRPG history that deserves to be seen by 2025 gamers. Our hope that we can find way to share this brilliant creation with 5E and DCC gamers, help resolve outstanding refunds for the prior Kickstarter backers and do so without any connection to racist, homophobic, antisemitic and other bigotry exposed in 2020.

Thanks for your patience as we got everything pulled together behind the scenes and having the faith in Goodman Games as a company and myself to do the right thing.

Sincerely,
Joseph Goodman
 

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The bit you’re missing is that JG did not have to pay, and were probably never going to be able to. So this really changes nothing for JG. They weren’t going to pay it, and they still aren’t. It does change things for the screwed backers though.

My brain starts hurting at the thought of GG backers effectively paying for their own refunds though. So if you were screwed by the JG campaign, by backing the GG campaign you fund your own refund. At which point—did you actually get a refund?
If you wanted the gg book, yes you are getting a refund and the book you wanted. You even get the book at a discount. If you didn’t want the book don’t fund the g ks and you will still probably get a refund.
 


People will argue, he did something wrong to cause it to catch fire. Yes, but is it worth losing his business and be unable to support himself and his family over that mistake?
over being a racist? yes, cannot say that I have a problem with that. You (general) are not entitled to my business regardless of who you are

And sure, you can choose not to support someone you don't want to.
will do

But this insistence that they should not get royalties seems disproportionate. it's their IP.
I’d rather the product would not be made than the Bledsaws getting royalties from it. I definitely can insist on that, and if that means the product cannot be made at all, I have no problem with that either
 

Yes, JG are offering refunds. I pre-ordered that version of CSIO after the campaign ended, and I have been in touch with Robert Bledsaw II since 2018. The man genuinely did his best to correct RB III's mismanagement of the project, despite considerable health problems getting in his way.

I was sent the miniatures by RBII back in 2018, and although I offered to pay shipping he was adamant that JG should cover the cost. Robert also sent me a number of PDFs from the old CSIO for free when it became clear to him that RBIII would not be able to deliver the project.

More recently, once funds became available I was offered not just a refund but a refund with interest, for the part that was not fulfilled. I rejected the offer for the interest, the man has been through enough hell with that project as it is.

In all my dealings with RBII, I found him to be extremely gracious, kind and conscientious. I don't know what are the exact views/posts that led to him being characterised as an antisemite, but it's sad for me to see this man and the company his father built vilified like that.
Even if he does hold reprehensible opinions, I don't appreciate ostracizing and scapegoating people like that. In fact I think it's an ugly thing, when people form a "righteous" majority and are scapegoating one individual that can't defend themselves about their perceived wrongdoing - they can't defend themselves, not when it catches fire like that. People will argue, he did something wrong to cause it to catch fire. Yes, but is it worth losing his business and be unable to support himself and his family over that mistake?

If we are genuinely interested in winning hearts and minds, I look at people like Daryl Davis as the best kind of example - he engaged with people who had genuinely been indoctrinated by the worse kind of ideologies (KKK), and managed to free them from that.

And sure, you can choose not to support someone you don't want to. But this insistence that they should not get royalties seems disproportionate. it's their IP.

On the other hand, you can also argue that "Caesar's wife should be above suspicion" when you're running a business. Anyhow, I thought I'd mention my personal experience dealing with JG. I wish them well. I hope everyone else gets reimbursed, just like I did. And I look forward to the new KS.

First, just because you personally feel like you’ve been made whole after a failed Kickstarter doesn’t mean all of the other people who gave their money to JG have had refunds.

Second, scapegoating someone means that someone is taking the punishment for another person’s wrongdoings. The statements of the Bledsaw’s are public record, easily searchable, and have been linked in several articles. It doesn’t take much for you to do your own due diligence and verify this.

Third, Bledsaw’s financial health is immaterial. This is a hobby filled with hard working people who work multiple jobs because working within this hobby does not provide enough money to support them. When someone willingly sabotages their own business through unconscionable statements to the public, responsibility for that fallout lies with the former.
 

over being a racist? yes, cannot say that I have a problem with that. You (general) are not entitled to my business regardless of who you are


will do


I’d rather the product would not be made than the Bledsaws getting royalties from it. I definitely can insist on that, and if that means the product cannot be made at all, I have no problem with that either
As much as I'm OK with the current state of affairs, since the latest update from Goodman, I wouldn't lose any sleep over their not publishing CSIO at all.
 

It was not a one and done, they'd been saying that sort of thing for a long while before that. I think you'll find for that a lot of people the sentence for that sort of thing is much, much, much longer than 5 years.
That was a period of time when I wasn't paying much attention to RPG things for a lot of reasons. When I did a quick Wiki check on JG, the entry stopped well before the statements in question were made(which is kind of interesting in its own right. Entries are often updated almost to the most recent hour for such things). The whole JG drama isn't something I am well versed on. If JG has made no or little effort at changing things or apologies, then sure, they should stay in the penalty box.

But I stick with my thoughts that City State deserves a modern refresh. CS predates the current JG bad acts period and it seems Goodman Games has a decent plan for making that happen. Plus making any backers of the previous JG KS somewhat better off is also a good goal.
 

As much as I'm OK with the current state of affairs, since the latest update from Goodman, I wouldn't lose any sleep over their not publishing CSIO at all.
I’ve been thinking about this too. The only reason Goodman Games or any of the fans of the setting are here today is nostalgia for a game that came out nearly 50 years ago. Was this one supplement so wonderful that talented designers couldn’t create something wholly original that hits the same marks? The price to pay for that nostalgia seems high.
 

I’ve been thinking about this too. The only reason Goodman Games or any of the fans of the setting are here today is nostalgia for a game that came out nearly 50 years ago. Was this one supplement so wonderful that talented designers couldn’t create something wholly original that hits the same marks? The price to pay for that nostalgia seems high.
It's fun to see the classics reimagined and updated. I've been playing with the same morons friends for more than 40 years, and we have a blast when we revisit old adventures that we played as kids. Also, a lot of what's new isn't terribly appealing to me (and to others). So, I get it if this stuff isn't your jam, but don't yuck other people's yums, my friend.
 

I’ve been thinking about this too. The only reason Goodman Games or any of the fans of the setting are here today is nostalgia for a game that came out nearly 50 years ago. Was this one supplement so wonderful that talented designers couldn’t create something wholly original that hits the same marks? The price to pay for that nostalgia seems high.

I asked in the first thread if someone has (or would) create(d) a comparable product.

The answer has been mostly* no.
(In some cases, it was a no while some of the individuals saying no embraced varying levels of douche-baggery.)

*I started a separate thread to ask for suggestions. There haven't yet been any that cover what this product offers for DCC. However, I still find value in the suggestions that have been made, and I likewise value the community who have participated in that other thread to try to help me.

I've noticed a handful of folks saying that they still can't support Goodman Games anymore. If they are looking to part with the GG products that they currently own to put their conscience at ease, that may be an opportunity to pick up things that are hard to find in print.
 

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