D&D General I wish people would avoid name-dropping Gary Gygax


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Gary made the game along with Dave Arneson and formed the firmament on which we all stand. He had strong opinions on elements of the game that people aren’t going to like. That shouldn’t be concealed or suppressed.
 


Disclaimer: This is not a thread about Gary Gygax, directly. This is a thread about the name, and the uses and abuses thereof. It is not about what you or I think about Gary Gygax as a person or as a game designer. It is not a thread about whether Gary was racist, sexist, theist, numismatic, thespian, smelled good, or his skills as a cobbler. It is a thread about his celebrity, para-social relationships, and how D&D fans act as stewards of his legacy.

I respect and care about Gary Gygax a lot. I've been on EN World since he was a fellow poster. I'm a big fan of history and giving credit where credit is due. And there are a lot of great threads about why Gary Gygax is important (e.g. Here D&D General - Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Magic Missile: Why Gygax Still Matters to Me or here D&D General - The Human Side of D&D History - From Gary Gygax to Temple of Elemental Evil ). If you want to discuss Gary Gygax as a person, please go to one of those thread to do it.

So, on to the meat of it.



I've noticed a thing where the name "Gary Gygax" is sometimes brought into conversations where (IMNSHO) it doesn't belong. There are even threads where I can mark the point that it goes from a reasonable conversation to one that I know will eventually be locked when someone drops the Gygax name in the thread. That bugs me. These are my personal guidelines for when one should or shouldn't name-drop Gary Gygax, why it bugs me, and how I try to do better.


When one should generally NOT invoke Gary Gygax's name:

  • When referring to an edition.
The history of D&D editions is complicated (I'll give you the Wikipedia link for reference: Editions of Dungeons & Dragons - Wikipedia) and even in modern times we don't always agree when something is a new edition and when it isn't. But one thing we should be able to agree on is that "Gary Gygax" isn't an edition of D&D. He was a game designer and author on multiple editions, but he was most critically a human being. And yet, unfortunately people say things like, "In 3e the game did this, but in Gary Gygax's D&D, the game did that".

Conflating an edition with a name takes something that could be objective and makes it personal. It changes the discussion from being about publications to something more intimate. In a bad way. Fans at large already take discussions about D&D editions too personally, and treating Gary Gygax like an edition only serves to make attacks on games more personal, and fuel the fires of edition wars.

The key is that the references should match. If we're talking about games in terms of Jeremy Crawford, Monte Cooke, or Frank Mentzer, then it makes perfect sense to refer to Gary Gygax. But if you're talking about 5e 2014, 3.0E, and AD&D, don't bring the Gygax name (or others) into it. Titles of editions (sans names) should match, the same way you match tenses in a sentence. Obviously, there are times when we must talk about editions, authors, and designers together. Especially in the early editions, where we commonly call out Holmes and Moldvay versions. And that's perfectly fine as long as it's consistent. But if you're talking about Pathfinder and don't use the name Jason Bulmahn, you shouldn't name-drop Gygax in any of your comparisons to D&D.

  • As a identifier for creative content in early D&D.
Yes, Gary was an author of OD&D, AD&D, and many other projects. But he was not an island. The obvious first argument to make is about the importance of Dave Arneson. But even beyond Arneson, Gary took input from everywhere. There's a reason so many people from the literal mail room at TSR went on to become big names in gaming history, and that's because Gary took ideas from anyone that was willing to contribute, ranging from other gaming professionals to his kids to random teenagers that happened to be in the area. This goes beyond personal connections, too, and Appendix N is just the start of it. From Tolkien to Roger Corman, Gygax took ideas from any media he could without being sued (and even a few where he did).

The critical idea here is that one should avoid talking about "Gary's cleric" or "Gary's Shield spell" because there generally is no version that is 100% Gary's. It was all a collaboration. Gary was not the sole creator of D&D, and that's not a bad thing. That's the backbone of D&D. Gary was a manager, a funnel, and a filter, and he did a great job at it. It's not belittling to Gary to deny him sole credit for every book that has his name on it, but it is belittling to everyone else in the process to give Gary credit for their works.

To avoid this, the general best practice is the name the source (i.e. book) that you're talking about, not the individual (and if Gary Gygax happens to have an author's credit on the book, you're free to feel smug about it). It's "The OD&D cleric" not "Gary's first cleric". The above "match tenses" rules should also be followed; only name Gary when you're referring to other authors by name. And you should only refer to Gary as an author when you're sure he's the only author, not just the only author on the cover.

  • When referring to an absolute, or to win an argument.
Gary Gygax was a lot of things. He was a dreamer, a father, a gamer, and an insurance underwriter. One of the main things he was not is consistent. This is not a bad thing, it is a human thing. People talk about things differently in their personal lives than their professional lives. People change over time. People sometimes have to back one horse to sell a product, even if it's not what they do in their personal games.

People often argue about "How Gary did this" or "Gary said it should be done like that". But most of the time when an argument hinges on "Gary Gygax said...", the simplest counter-argument is to find a quote of Gary Gygax contradicting it. This is not Gary's fault. The fault is trying to treat a human being like a legal text, and it ultimately does nothing to honor the man being put on the pedestal.

Simply remember that everything Gary Gygax said is only an opinion, just like everybody else's.


When you SHOULD invoke Gary's name:

  1. When reminiscing about times when you personally met and interacted with Gary Gygax.
  2. When talking about his (highly specific) contributions to a game/book, or when explicitly comparing one named author/designer/whatever to another named author/designer/whatever.
  3. When discussing his legacy, estate, and related topics such as GaryCon, the Gygax Memorial Fund, the "Wizard of the Lake" exhibit at the Geneva Lake Museum, or a trip to Lake Geneva.
  4. When discussing his non-D&D projects, such as Lejendary Adventures.
  5. (Unfortunately) When you want to troll on the internet. When you want to bait a D&D discussion into being personal rather than objective. When you want to end one discussion by injecting controversies or otherwise ensure the original topic is sidelined by discussions about Gary Gygax. Or when you just generally want to ramp up emotions to ensure you get a heated response.
These are my personal guidelines that I do my best to follow, and occasionally fail at. They are open to discussion and criticism. But I think if we can all recognize when some of these things (especially #5 above) are happening, then a few threads just might be a bit friendlier.

2nd Disclaimer: I am not a mod, I am not your mother, and I have no authority over anyone here. I have intentionally not quoted specific times I've seen things like this done on EN World to avoid making it personal. This is a discussion of things I have seen on the internet at large, not just here. I have intentionally avoided using the more inflammatory examples of issues associated with Gary Gygax to avoid turning this thread into yet another discussion of those topics. If you feel like this is a bunch of strawman arguments that don't apply to you, then they probably (hopefully?) don't apply to you. This post is roughly 10% disclaimer, and I have doubts that will be sufficient.
I did not read the whole thing, but one thing I disagree with is not using his name in reference to 1st Edition AD&D. He is literally the author for the core books. It is his name on the spine. Saying he should not be referenced for that edition is like saying you shpuld not mention Tolkien when talking about LOTR.
 

I did not read the whole thing, but one thing I disagree with is not using his name in reference to 1st Edition AD&D. He is literally the author for the core books. It is his name on the spine. Saying he should not be referenced for that edition is like saying you shpuld not mention Tolkien when talking about LOTR.
I basically agree. However, given that his authorship is a somewhat contentious issue that even wound him up in court, and losing, I can see how some folks might take issue with describing 1e as Gygax’s edition.
 

I did not read the whole thing, but one thing I disagree with is not using his name in reference to 1st Edition AD&D. He is literally the author for the core books. It is his name on the spine. Saying he should not be referenced for that edition is like saying you shpuld not mention Tolkien when talking about LOTR.
I basically agree. However, given that his authorship is a somewhat contentious issue that even wound him up in court, and losing, I can see how some folks might take issue with describing 1e as Gygax’s edition.
The OP isn’t saying Gary Gygax’s name shouldn’t be used at all when referring to 1e. It says his name shouldn’t be invoked when referring to an edition. This is maybe not the clearest phrasing, but what it’s actually saying is not to treat his name as synonymous with any edition. Just because his name is on the spine, doesn’t make him the sole auteur responsible for the edition.
 

Gary made the game along with Dave Arneson and formed the firmament on which we all stand. He had strong opinions on elements of the game that people aren’t going to like. That shouldn’t be concealed or suppressed.

Nor harped on every time some one mentions his name.

One of the unfortunate issues here is that all-too-often, dropping Gygax's name is a "appeal to authority", rhetorically speaking. Some other times it is an appeal to authorial intent. Neither of these are particularly strong positions, which kind of invite attacks on that weakness.
 

Gary made the game along with Dave Arneson and formed the firmament on which we all stand. He had strong opinions on elements of the game that people aren’t going to like. That shouldn’t be concealed or suppressed.
Well, and as has become better known in recent years, other hobbyists and designers like Dave Wesely and Leonard Patt made the games on whose firmament Chainmail and Blackmoor rested, and thus on which D&D stood.

Gary made the game along with Dave Arneson and formed the firmament on which we all stand. He had strong opinions on elements of the game that people aren’t going to like. That shouldn’t be concealed or suppressed.
I'm kind of curious what specific strong opinions you're thinking of.

He famously took an extremely different attitude about some things in the AD&D DMG than he did in the OD&D core books (monster PCs are a classic example), and than he did in public letters to forums like Alarums & Excursions in the years prior to AD&D. Gary the Hobby Evangelist expressed some distinctly different ideas than Gary The Guy Trying to Standardize Tournament Play and Annoyed By Competitors. And then in the 2000s we saw him advocating again for a simpler and more flexible game and turning back to OD&D.
 

The OP isn’t saying Gary Gygax’s name shouldn’t be used at all when referring to 1e. It says his name shouldn’t be invoked when referring to an edition. This is maybe not the clearest phrasing, but what it’s actually saying is not to treat his name as synonymous with any edition. Just because his name is on the spine, doesn’t make him the sole auteur responsible for the edition.

He is the author of most of the 1st edition hardcovers. He is essentially the person responsible for those, not just someone listed in the credits. I disagree with you on this WRT to 1E AD&D.

When you read the AD&D 1E DMG or PHB you are literally reading Gygax personal writing on the subject. Further the tone of those books is personal and there are many opinions and discussions in there (far more than in modern D&D or even other products from that era). IMO it is inappropriate NOT to treat those words, those rules etc as his personal diction, because that is in fact what they are.

Note I am specifically talking about 1E AD&D, and really only the books he personally authored (which include all the core rulebooks), not the other products of the 1E era like BECMI or earlier D&D products that could be called 1E.
 

He is the author of most of the 1st edition hardcovers. He is essentially the person responsible for those, not just someone listed in the credits. I disagree with you on this WRT to 1E AD&D.

When you read the AD&D 1E DMG or PHB you are literally reading Gygax personal writing on the subject. Further the tone of those books is personal and there are many opinions and discussions in there (far more than in modern D&D or even other products from that era). IMO it is inappropriate NOT to treat those words, those rules etc as his personal diction, because that is in fact what they are.

Note I am specifically talking about 1E AD&D, and really only the books he personally authored (which include all the core rulebooks), not the other products of the 1E era like BECMI or earlier D&D products that could be called 1E.
He’s not “just someone listed in the credits,” no, but he’s also not the sole creative contributor. The reality is much more nuanced.
 

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