D&D General Dnd and what has changed

[Marc17]

As a DM just really getting into 5E, the main things that stand out to me (that haven't already been mentioned) between 3.x and 5.x is they made a simpler game that should be more accessible to new players, but lack of a player customizable skill system for a short list of ability checks and (unrelated) proficiencies with different tools, along with PCs are the only buildable things with classes and NPCs and monsters seem to just be 'give them whatever you want' school of design. At least those are two of the things standing out to me as I try and make a setting and adventures.

 

[Azzy]

So I peaced out of DnD with the introduction of 3rd ed. I understand it did well, then 4th came out and bombed and now there is 5th ed. What has changed?

Lots of mechanical changes designed to be simpler to get into while supporting a more heroic playstyle of the sort that late 1e (with, for example, the Dragonlance modules and settings) and 2e (with its many settings) was shooting for but didn't fully support.

 

[Stormonu]

I agree for BX and 1e, but 2e and 3e retroclones? At best few and far between from what I have seen

3E will never need a retroclone, it has the OGL/SRD.

I'm not sure why there are so few attempts to reproduce 2E, the only one I know of is For Gold and Glory. Perhaps there is a derth of 2E product still available, and a majority of 2E contains background material that is valid regardless of edition? (I don't see a lot of praise for the majority of 2E's adventures, even back in the day so I guess people aren't interested in converting any?).

As for my Grand History since 3E and what changed?

WotC went with 4E, implementing a system that was an attempt to expand the play of levels 1 to 10 to be stretched over the likes of 1 to 30. New powers and abilities were granted to give something new at every level, and abilities were broken into "at-will" (any time), "encounter" (once a combat) and "daily" (as on the package). This schema was doled out to all classes. Likewise, most of the D&D lore was rewritten from top to bottom and the focus was primarily on battlemat encounters that were tuned to be epic tactical confrontations. Also, the optional prestige classes of 3E were incorporated into the higher levels, and were no longer optional. Skill challenges were introduced, where the success or failure of certain interactions were passed or failed determined by passing a certain number of skill checks before accumulating a certain number of failures (at the basic level, 3 of one or the other). Rewards were reworked into "treasure packets" that were encouraged to be player wish lists of magic items for their character build.

5E was meant to be a last hurrah, and took the underlying 4E engine and covered it over with trappings of prior editions. "at-wills" were carried over, "encounter" became short rest abilities, "daily" became long rest and were primarily returned to the providence of spellcasters (with some exceptions). Many abilities and powers were retranslated back to their prior edition format and methodology. Almost all classes received some form of spellcasting from level 1, or a subclass that had such an option. Stacking spells was greatly limited by implementing Concentration, which limited most spellcasters to keeping only one spell active at a given time, and the effects of many spells was reduced from the power of prior editions. 4E's idea of subclasses were moved down to the lower levels, ranging from kicking in at 1st - 3rd level (now all are 3rd level with the 2024 rules). The range of bonuses added to characters was trimmed down significantly, in the hopes of making the result of the d20 roll matter more than the added bonuses. Also, Advantage/Disadvantage was implemented, where rolling d20 and taking the highest or lowest replaced a majority of individual numeric modifiers (lot less +1's or -1's, basically). Automatic ability score increases were implemented at fixed class levels (with the option to take Feats instead). Magic items were relegated to "optional", with the characters supposedly having the innate ability to overcome threats built into their classes; magic items were not factored into requirements to have the appropriate power for your level and was "gravy on the top". Also, limits were placed on how many magic items could be accumulated were put into place via the system of attunement.

I think that covers it, or at least all the changes I can recall.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I agree for BX and 1e, but 2e and 3e retroclones? At best few and far between from what I have seen

They're out there, although I think Pathfinder 1E sucked up most of the 3E retroclone energy. (I'd count it as being in the 3E retroclone space, although obviously iterated on.)

 

[Gradine]

Seeing the words "3e" and "retroclone" in direct proximity with each other is aging me ten years at a time

 

[Reynard]

Hmmmm well you used to roll your characters, now you build your charachters.

There has never been a time where you did not build your D&D character. You may have rolled your stats, but you picked your race and/or class, your weapons and whatever other elements were available depending on the edition. Character creation in D&D has never been totally random.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Seeing the words "3e" and "retroclone" in direct proximity with each other is aging me ten years at a time

The 3E PHB is 25 years old, as of August of this year. If it was a person, it'd be calling everyone here boomers.

 

[Zardnaar]

3E will never need a retroclone, it has the OGL/SRD.

I'm not sure why there are so few attempts to reproduce 2E, the only one I know of is For Gold and Glory. Perhaps there is a derth of 2E product still available, and a majority of 2E contains background material that is valid regardless of edition? (I don't see a lot of praise for the majority of 2E's adventures, even back in the day so I guess people aren't interested in converting any?).

As for my Grand History since 3E and what changed?

WotC went with 4E, implementing a system that was an attempt to expand the play of levels 1 to 10 to be stretched over the likes of 1 to 30. New powers and abilities were granted to give something new at every level, and abilities were broken into "at-will" (any time), "encounter" (once a combat) and "daily" (as on the package). This schema was doled out to all classes. Likewise, most of the D&D lore was rewritten from top to bottom and the focus was primarily on battlemat encounters that were tuned to be epic tactical confrontations. Also, the optional prestige classes of 3E were incorporated into the higher levels, and were no longer optional. Skill challenges were introduced, where the success or failure of certain interactions were passed or failed determined by passing a certain number of skill checks before accumulating a certain number of failures (at the basic level, 3 of one or the other). Rewards were reworked into "treasure packets" that were encouraged to be player wish lists of magic items for their character build.

5E was meant to be a last hurrah, and took the underlying 4E engine and covered it over with trappings of prior editions. "at-wills" were carried over, "encounter" became short rest abilities, "daily" became long rest and were primarily returned to the providence of spellcasters (with some exceptions). Many abilities and powers were retranslated back to their prior edition format and methodology. Almost all classes received some form of spellcasting from level 1, or a subclass that had such an option. Stacking spells was greatly limited by implementing Concentration, which limited most spellcasters to keeping only one spell active at a given time, and the effects of many spells was reduced from the power of prior editions. 4E's idea of subclasses were moved down to the lower levels, ranging from kicking in at 1st - 3rd level (now all are 3rd level with the 2024 rules). The range of bonuses added to characters was trimmed down significantly, in the hopes of making the result of the d20 roll matter more than the added bonuses. Also, Advantage/Disadvantage was implemented, where rolling d20 and taking the highest or lowest replaced a majority of individual numeric modifiers (lot less +1's or -1's, basically). Automatic ability score increases were implemented at fixed class levels (with the option to take Feats instead). Magic items were relegated to "optional", with the characters supposedly having the innate ability to overcome threats built into their classes; magic items were not factored into requirements to have the appropriate power for your level and was "gravy on the top". Also, limits were placed on how many magic items could be accumulated were put into place via the system of attunement.

I think that covers it, or at least all the changes I can recall.

Good parts of 2E are tied up with WotC IP.

Pathfinder is functionally a tetroclone still available and cheap second hand copies.

1E. I dont think anyone's that nostalgic. Fans of that era seemed to have migrated to B/X clones.

OSR fans seemed to have dumped THAC0 by 2012

 

[1QD]

I can't tell if you are asking what has changed between AD&D and 5e or if you are asking what changed between 3e, 4e, and 5e.

For the former:

Your answer pretty much nails what I wanted to know. I wanted to see if my own framework of my own system, had any equivalent. It seems it took them a long time, but in some cases yes, and in many cases no.

 

[Yaarel]

So I peaced out of DnD with the introduction of 3rd ed. I understand it did well, then 4th came out and bombed and now there is 5th ed. What has changed?

Probably the most important difference between old school 1e-2e and 5e is, all player characters that are the same level are roughly equal in power.

Relatedly, level 1 characters are more likely to survive. So the game is less about surviving in combat, and more about weaving together your own characters who are the main characters of a heroic story.