D&D General Forgotten Realms: Real World Gods Still Present in the Old Empires

[Yaarel]

I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't defending stealing artifacts, its morally wrong in most situations (the only exception is to keep them out of the hands of fanatics who will destroy them, so that such artifacts can be returned to their rightful nations when the fanatics are gone) cultures aren't something on the other hand that can be stolen, they can be shared, but that never diminishes the culture, it only strengthens it.

Culture can include material culture, especially in the context of artifacts and installations relating to ancestors and sacred spaces. Often the customs relating to the materials are the cultural continuity.

 

[Parmandur]

That was none senseical completely, and a silly nonescenical blog post is never going to trumped by an actual legal contract with Ed Greenwood. The blog post was basically Chris Perkins covering for Jeremy Crawford and failing when FR fans flipped out over Jeremy saying there is no canon. Just ignore it, the original contract with Ed dictates what is and is not canon to FR, not a pair of guys who are now gone and working for Darrington Press.

I have severe dou ts about Greenwood's legal understanding of the contract, TBH.

I see no reason to not believe that rational canon policy is still on effect, since it seems to matter how up with behaviors and texts across the board.

 

[Parmandur]

Oh what Surpised me more then that they didn't cancel the Old Empire RW Gods, is that they had the brass ones TO MAKE THE OLD EMPIRES FEAT MULHORANDI TOMB RAIDER.

They could have gone with Mulhorandi Archologist, or Mulhorandi Historian or Mulhorandi Lord Priest or zillion other things, instead they made it something that used be a death penalty offense is Mulhorand, is now state endorsed.

And honestly I'm fine with it, you can justify by point to like the former Mulhorandi capital of Thay and other corrupted and other dangerous tombs, when important stuff is now in the wrong hands and dessecrated by evil anyways so uts more rescuing stuff then stealing from them.

But it was still shocking they would go there, I know Indianna Jones/Tomb Raider/Relic Hunter/Librarians is really popular, but its seems controversial choice. But knowing the lore like I do, I see lore justifications for it. So many if their ruins, Imaskari Ruins, and Tombs and so on, ended up lairs for evil monsters and such.

On a pragmatic "this is for making games work" level...this makes a lot of sense. Take the University archeology campaign frame from the upcoming eberron book, make fhe Pharoh and temples the patrons of the researchers who are basically Mummy and Lich exterminators...makes a lot of sense.

 

[Parmandur]

No it covers the novels period, novels can't be decanonized.

Yet these books seem to blatantly ignore novel events. It seems the "novels and media are their own Canon riffing off a stable basis that can be retconned" approach that Perkins laid out rationally ia in effect.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Yet these books seem to blatantly ignore novel events. It seems the "novels and media are their own Canon riffing off a stable basis that can be retconned" approach that Perkins laid out rationally ia in effect.

Only some of the latest novels, which is simply an over sight given these books have likely been in the works for years.

 

[Yaarel]

Only some of the latest novels, which is simply an over sight given these books have likely been in the works for years.

My understanding is, only the these two new books are the official WotC canon for Forgotten Realms. But these suggest a link to a fansite for gaming tables and future authors that want to adopt a more extensive canon. The fansite often makes an effort to reconcile the discrepancies among the various sources relating to the setting.

 

[Zeromaru X]

what Surpised me more then that they didn't cancel the Old Empire RW Gods, is that they had the brass ones TO MAKE THE OLD EMPIRES FEAT MULHORANDI TOMB RAIDER.

Nothing shows love for your gods more than stealing their old junk, I guess.

More seriously, thought, given that the current god-kings of Mulhorand are relatively newly created manifestations/Chosen, they may be sponsoring these raiders to recover the stuff of the old and long gone manifestations.

 

[Zardnaar]

This follows the real world history of Egypt. Tombs were often robbed within a generation of them being occupied, sometimes by the original workers who built the tombs. There was the death (by torture) penalty if caught, but the wealth was worth the risk. There were people who made a profession of it. The archaeologists didn’t arrive until thousands of years later. That’s what made the Tutankhamen find remarkable - getting to rob a tomb that hadn’t already been robbed in antiquity.

Yup.

King Tuts tomb only one found so far that wasn't looted afaik.

Pyramids look cool but theyre a big signpost.

 

[Parmandur]

Only some of the latest novels, which is simply an over sight given these books have likely been in the works for years.

Who is king of Damara in 1501...? That contradicts a novel Salvatore published a decade ago.

 

[Parmandur]

My understanding is, only the these two new books are the official WotC canon for Forgotten Realms. But these suggest a link to a fansite for gaming tables and future authors that want to adopt a more extensive canon. The fansite often makes an effort to reconcile the discrepancies among the various sources relating to the setting.

Yeah, these books are the "Bible" for partners like Netflix or Harper Collons, but any FR media doesn't necessarily imply Canon for future game products.