D&D General Mike Mearls says control spells are ruining 5th Edition

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Going back to the main topic, I again think 4e roles as a module would help. Here is the role ruling I use.

Role	Save with Advantage	Saves with Disadvantage	Additional Save with Advantage if Solo	Damage effect	AC effect
Artillery	Dex, Int	Con	Wis	Range damage dice increase by 2	-2 AC
Blaster	Con, Cha	Dex	Wis	AOE damage dice increase by 2
Bruiser	Str, Dex	Int, Cha	Con
Brute	Str, Con	Wis	Dex	Melee damage dice increase by 2	-2 AC
Controller	Int, Wis	Dex	Con
Healer	Wis, Cha	Str, Int	Con	Heal dice increase by 3	-1 AC
Leader	Wis, Cha	Dex	Con	Heal dice increase by 2
Lurker	Dex, Int	Con	Wis
Skirmisher	Dex, Int	Wis	Con
Soldier	Str Con	int, Cha	Dex	Range damage dice decrease by 3	+1 SC
Tank	Str, Con	Dex	Wis	All damage dice decrease by 1	+4 AC

 

[Zardnaar]

Wel my campaign ended. End boss was Fraz Urbluu. Boosted his HP to 500.

He died round 3 vs 5 lvl 13 PCs. He almost eliminated 1. Without buffing may have dropped 2 but heroes feast+aid some of them had 160 odd hp.

He was encounter 5 for the day. 3 high, 1 medium, 1 meteor swarm.

Marilih and Balor hit like trucks but once they over load legendary saves the Balor went bye bye to banish spell.

 

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I can definitely see that modular means different things to different folks. For me modular meant that each major chunk of the game was a module. Magic for example would be a module that could be removed and another completely different magic system could be inserted in its place.

That's how I saw it.

Like weapon. Many people thought 5e's weapons chart is too simplistic for anybody but the newest of players. Once you get some experience with the game the four weapons chart is just too basic. And even Wizards eventually admitted to it and that's why they added Weapon Master properties

But the fundamental weighted the game works with weapons is you roll at to hit versus a AC and if you hit you deal damage to hit points. Game is built on the bolded items existing but you can always change the values of the bolded items via modules. You can swap in a 4E system where every weapon has their own attack bonus and so every weapon is unique because they both have a damaged value and a attack bonus along with properties that makes every weapon unique.

The problem is like what Mearls said

It's funny that the biggest pain point in the game - monsters - has the most instances of drawing too much from the rest of the system. For instance, monsters were not supposed to use proficiency based on their CR. They were instead supposed to have a skill rating that could change based on their story and nature.

The monsters kind of have fixed values and are tied to a module themselves when created so adjusting them with other modules on the player side creates issues because in a player side can do a lot with that modules. But on the monster side unless you designed them to do such a thing

Like he said Master should not have a proficiency bonus based on their CR. Monster should just have a ranking of what their good bonus and bad bonus are.

Like a CR2 monsters should have a total bonus for the attack rolls and their saving throws of about +5.

That could be a proficiency bonus of +2 and a strength bonus of +3 for some sort of animal. Oh I could be a proficiency bonus of +3 and a strength bonus of +2 for a knight's squire. Or it could be just a strength bonus of +5 via a zombified giant

But ultimately the problem This thread is based on is that spell casters get to attack monsters with spells that they get to add their proficiency bonus to and target monsters saving throws that they might not get to add their proficiency bonus.

But that's all besides the point

It became DC 10+ Prof mod + Ability mod vs d20+ Ability mod

That is a straight-up unfair roll. Legendary Resistance is a kludge to rebalance an unfair contest because there's no way to guarantee that you can drain all of the spellcasters slots in a Dungeon

 

[SkidAce]

Wel my campaign ended. End boss was Fraz Urbluu. Boosted his HP to 500.

He died round 3 vs 5 lvl 13 PCs. He almost eliminated 1. Without buffing may have dropped 2 but heroes feast+aid sone of them had 160 odd hp.

He was encounter 5 for the day. 3 high, 1 medium, 1 meteor swarm.

Marilih and Balor hit like trucks but once they over load legendary saves the Valor went bye bye to banish spell.

In my very Odd opinion, I think Banish is fine against other worldly/extra planar creatures, such as demons/devils.

But it should not work AT ALL against "natural?" creatures...

 

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In my very Odd opinion, I think Banish is fine against other worldly/extra planar creatures, such as demons/devils.

But it should not work AT ALL against "natural?" creatures...

Banishment should be like Charm/Hold/Dominate Person/Monster

Charm Person 1st level spell
Charm Monster 4th level spell
Hold Person 2nd level spell
Hold Monster 5th level spell
Dominate Person 5th level spell
Dominate Monster 8th level spell

So...

Banish Extraplanar 4th level spell
Banish Monster 7th level spell