(OOC) DND 3.5 Enter Planescape

[Neurotic]

I'm guessing all readied actions triggered at the same time, that's why the spear went through, you all saw each other at the start of the resolution of things. I guess?

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

I'm guessing all readied actions triggered at the same time, that's why the spear went through, you all saw each other at the start of the resolution of things. I guess?

Then I wasted a spell slot. I’d have been better off not readying and just talking. The point was to negotiate and to interrupt her in case she casted, not trigger her to cast.

Presumably, she made her concentration check to get her spell off when she got hit.

 

[Neurotic]

Then I wasted a spell slot. I’d have been better off not readying and just talking. The point was to negotiate and to interrupt her in case she casted, not trigger her to cast.

Presumably, she made her concentration check to get her spell off when she got hit.

You couldn't have known. That would be similar to casting it with trigger "when bartender drops the glass" and he doesn't

 

[OneCrappy DM]

Suggestion is line of effect meaning it needs to be heard,

• The spell targets "one creature" within range (25 ft +5ft./2 levels).
• The target must be able to hear and understand your verbal suggestions.

Her ready action was fire off spell for hostile action and in this case the casting of a spell is hostile action, technically your prepared action wouldn't have worked as her reaction to a spell she already cast is faster than your standard action. I let it all resolve at the same time, and in the future I will prompt you for a save.

Prepared actions with spells require you to cast your standard action, it doesn't reduce casting time to a reaction.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

Okay, sounds good

 

[Neurotic]

Prepared actions with spells require you to cast your standard action, it doesn't reduce casting time to a reaction.

I think it actually does, it is just that you waste a spell if the trigger doesn't happen - technically, you cast it on your turn as you ready an action...isn't that how it works? Otherwise it could never be "a reaction" which is instant by definition

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

I think it actually does, it is just that you waste a spell if the trigger doesn't happen - technically, you cast it on your turn as you ready an action...isn't that how it works? Otherwise it could never be "a reaction" which is instant by definition

It also changes your initiative position to the point where the actions go off.

So technically, our new initiative is Wawaate, Mr. Black, Spellcaster girl. Since our actions were a reaction to her casting a spell.

Readying an Action​

The ready action lets you prepare to take an action later, after your turn is over but before your next one has begun. Readying is a standard action. It does not provoke an attack of opportunity (though the action that you ready might do so).

You can ready a standard action, a move action, or a free action. To do so, specify the action you will take and the conditions under which you will take it. Then, any time before your next action, you may take the readied action in response to that condition. The action occurs just before the action that triggers it. If the triggered action is part of another character’s activities, you interrupt the other character. Assuming he is still capable of doing so, he continues his actions once you complete your readied action. Your initiative result changes. For the rest of the encounter, your initiative result is the count on which you took the readied action, and you act immediately ahead of the character whose action triggered your readied action.

So Mr. Black readied to cast if she cast a spell
Wawaate readied to throw the spear if she cast a spell.
She readied if we did anything hostile.

Technically, nobody did anything hostile until she chose to cast the spell but her spell shouldn't have gone off since nobody did anything hostile. Really, all our readied actions kind of got wasted and nobody should have done anything. That's how I interpret what happened. Everyone is tensely talking, ready for hell to break loose.

That said, it's fine to keep it as is.

 

[OneCrappy DM]

Yes that is why your prepared actions wouldn't have worked. You taking the standard action to prepare your action is what caused her to use her prepared action.
She already used a standard action and you didn't, in no scenario in traditional initiative would you be adjusted ahead of her.

Casting a spell is considered hostile action. (You have to cast a spell to use it as a prepared action, seeing a spell being cast she used her reaction meanwhile you are still doing a standard action so her is immediatly first.)

I made it all resolve at once since you'd all be acting on the same number in traditional initiative tables.

 

[OneCrappy DM]

@Steve Gorak the spell was auditory and you watched her cast it so you know that he is under some magic effects.

 

[TaranTheWanderer]

Yes that is why your prepared actions wouldn't have worked. You taking the standard action to prepare your action is what caused her to use her prepared action.
She already used a standard action and you didn't, in no scenario in traditional initiative would you be adjusted ahead of her.

Casting a spell is considered hostile action. (You have to cast a spell to use it as a prepared action, seeing a spell being cast she used her reaction meanwhile you are still doing a standard action so her is immediatly first.)

I made it all resolve at once since you'd all be acting on the same number in traditional initiative tables.

It says I may take the the readied action in response. Can I choose to not cast it so I don’t lose my spell? I’m asking for future situations. It may actually be useful to have them unable to see what’s happening inside the room.

EDIT: I just re-read how readying a spell works and I didn't realize you have to actually cast the spell in advance and then hold it until the trigger occurs.

If I'd read that before, I probably wouldn't have done it but live and learn.