AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

[Parmandur]

This is 100% my experience. I've seen it personally, as a small creator, seeing work I've done get lost in the flood of products. It's basic math. If you're stuff is 5% of what's being released that month, and now it's less than 1% because there's a ton of AI stuff, less people are going to see your stuff.

Like trying to navigate DTRPG.com for stock art before their AI filter got put in place. It was exponentially harder to find non-AI stuff.

As a consumer, I can't even use DriveThruRPG anymore to find jack. If I have a link directly from somewhere else, but searching or browsing isn't viable anymore.

 

[Parmandur]

So, the threat to small publishers isn't AI being banned, it is the temptation to use AI to fill their product with slop. The larger companies have figured out they cna use "Made by Humans" as a marketing distinction, but so have the wiser small creators. Using slop does not level the playing field.

 

[Zaukrie]

If you can't make money without stealing, find a different job. Stealing is wrong.

 

[Sacrosanct]

It's not the same at all. If I commission you to make a dragon, YOU are making the dragon to YOUR vision. I might influence that vision a bit, but it's still going to be YOUR vision of what I am asking for. AI does not have a vision, so what the final result is, is 100% MY vision, rending AI a tool and not an artist.

It is not 100% your vision. It's as close as AI can get using information it already has in it's database. If it doesn't exist in the database, you will never get "your" vision.

You guys are letting your hatred of AI "created" art cloud your thinking about AI used only as a tool. There's a huge difference between the first and second methods in my first post in the thread.

Relying on ad hominems to disregard the factual process AI uses isn't helpful or productive.

 

[Maxperson]

It is not 100% your vision. It's as close as AI can get using information it already has in it's database. If it doesn't exist in the database, you will never get "your" vision.

Since it can fine tune without using specific art from the database, that's not correct. If I want it to lighten the shading in some areas, it can do that without having to redraw the entire thing. If I want the arm to bend more, it can bend it more without using specific art from the database and having to redraw the entire thing. And remember, the database also includes metric craptons of free art instruction, art advice, etc. from the internet and it can and will draw upon that for fine tuning as well as anything else.

The end result will be my vision and my vision only. It will be 100% what I see in my head, because I can continue to tweak it until it matches. There's nothing I can visualize that with time I can't create with AI as a tool. It will have ceased to be the artwork of others long before I finish.

 

[Basic Expert]

AI art is a commodity that has no value. Why buy something made with AI when you can generate the same thing yourself, for free? LLMs have some legitimate uses, but churning out AI slop for a quick buck isn't one of them.

With art you are buying imagination, a POV, a work from someone that is grappling with the fundamental contradictions of human existence. A computer doesn't understand any of that. It doesn't create. It doesn't even generate. It certainly can't innovate. It merely assembles from stolen pieces.

Humans who use AI to "create" art might have the imagination to create something new, but they are uninterested in the work it takes to master a medium (and no, prompting AI is not a skill). There is no sacrifice, no dedication in their craft, no yearning for achieving the unachievable. No innate talent or virtuoso technique to be astonished by. Their works are destined to be uninspired, derivative, pandering, even insipid. 100% disposable.

 

[Maxperson]

AI art is a commodity that has no value. Why buy something made with AI when you can generate the same thing yourself, for free? LLMs have some legitimate uses, but churning out AI slop for a quick buck isn't one of them.

How can you generate my vision for free? Again, I'm not talking about quick AI slop, which isn't someone's vision. I'm talking about using AI in depth as a tool to achieve an artist's vision

With art you are buying imagination, a POV, a work from someone that is grappling with the fundamental contradictions of human existence. A computer doesn't understand any of that. It doesn't create. It doesn't even generate. It certainly can't innovate.

Correct. And that can be achieved using AI as a tool and not something to just make art for you.

Humans who use AI to "create" art might have the imagination to create something new, but they are uninterested in the work it takes to master a medium (and no, prompting AI is not a skill). There is no sacrifice, no dedication in their craft, no yearning for achieving the unachievable. No innate talent or virtuoso technique to be astonished by. Their works are destined to be uninspired, derivative, pandering, even insipid. 100% disposable.

No. Just plain no. Not everyone has the talent to be that good, even if interested and dedicated. Minds work differently. I can create an inspired piece through use of AI as a tool, but I will never be able to do so by hand.

 

[aco175]

I kind of get the option 2 of modifying the AI art to make it my own in a sense. The whole it is now actual human art since I modified it using my human brain to make it my own is still a bit, not sure. The same can be said by having AI write me a module and then I tell it to change this and that to get it my own version of art. Then I can say that I wrote it and made the art if I do both options.

I agree that it will grow and be here to stay. Somewhat like one of the above threads about robots and productivity. I started seeing robots that will blow snow from my driveway or mow my lawn. How many years before it is everywhere.

 

[SkidAce]

How do we get from here, where the art was unethically trained, to a Star Trek style holodeck.

Cause that's what I think of AI as being good for in a "tool" fashion.

 

[Parmandur]

How do we get from here, where the art was unethically trained, to a Star Trek style holodeck.

Cause that's what I think of AI as being good for in a "tool" fashion.

Probably not possible.