AI/LLMs AI art bans are going to ruin small 3rd party creators

[soviet]

Ideas are the creative part, along with refining those ideas later. If you're rocking 20 original ideas a day you're a creative soul indeed!

The work of turning those ideas into reality, however, is mostly just work; which is what causes most ideas - good and bad - to never get far if anywhere beyond the thought process.

This is absolutely false. The implementation is everything.

What creative things do you do?

In addition to playing/running RPGs I also paint miniatures and write poems, and I have previously written, produced, art directed, and published two RPG books. The implementation is the creative part.

 

[Lanefan]

And before you say "I can't draw, so I use gen AI", know that leads right back to "I can't draw, so I ask the computer to do all the work for me (and steal for me) instead".

I can't run 60 m.p.h along the highway, so I ask the car to do all the work for me instead. I just fill it with gas and tell it where to go.
I can't tabulate and analyze 15,000 complex data records, so I ask the computer to do all the work for me instead. I just input the initial data (or maybe someone else does).
I can't accurately remember every detail of what I'm looking at in a given moment, so I ask the camera to do all the work for me instead. I just point and shoot.
I can't lift a 30-foot metal I-beam 75 feet into the air, so I ask the crane to do all the work for me instead. I just tell the crane what to do.
I can't draw.......

 

[Morrus]

The work of turning those ideas into reality, however, is mostly just work; which is what causes most ideas - good and bad - to never get far if anywhere beyond the thought process.

That’s what I said.

 

[Morrus]

I can't run 60 m.p.h along the highway, so I ask the car to do all the work for me instead. I just fill it with gas and tell it where to go.
I can't tabulate and analyze 15,000 complex data records, so I ask the computer to do all the work for me instead. I just input the initial data (or maybe someone else does).
I can't accurately remember every detail of what I'm looking at in a given moment, so I ask the camera to do all the work for me instead. I just point and shoot.
I can't lift a 30-foot metal I-beam 75 feet into the air, so I ask the crane to do all the work for me instead. I just tell the crane what to do.
I can't draw.......

So…

You pirate millions of books and burn down a rainforest.

I mean, if you insist the credit, you need to take credit for the whole thing. You don’t get to pick and choose the nice bits.

So you, Lanefan, mass-pirated millions of books and then destroyed a rainforest to power a server farm.

 

[Mecheon]

I can't draw.......

Debatable. People have been drawing for most of human history. I'm pretty sure you could put pen to paper and make something.

Sure, its not going to be crash hot, but given something as simple as two stick figures fighting launched a whole artistic movement back in the 00s, it can be just what it needs to be.

 

[Lanefan]

This is absolutely false. The implementation is everything.

What creative things do you do?

I write poems, lyrics, song words, and so forth. Thousands of 'em, maybe over ten thousand now, since not long after I was old enough to write.

I design and write all sorts of stuff for my D&D games - homebrew settings, adventures, rules, maps, you name it.

I play* music with some guys, some of it freeform-ish (we come up with a tune /melody on the fly then write words for it, flesh it out, and add the words in), some of it pre-written; about 98% of it original, the other 2% are either straight covers or Weird-Al-like rewordings of others' songs. Up to about 40 hours worth of finished (if highly-variable quality!) songs now, if not more.

I used to draw until I realized I just wasn't any good at it, and packed it in. I'm also useless at painting, as some of my poor embarrassed minis can attest!

With the poems-lyrics and the music, the implementation and creative pieces go pretty much hand in hand, but are IMO still separate things: the creativity is thinking of it and the implementation is actually playing it (or, sometimes, getting someone else to play it - I can come up with what I think are some pretty good guitar lines or riffs in my head but can't play guitar worth sheeite, so someone else has to play 'em).

With the RPG stuff, it's often a variant on the old saw "15 minutes of creativity packed into 4 hours of implementation".

* - well, not so much lately; covid kinda killed it for us. We'll get back at it one day....

 

[Lanefan]

Debatable. People have been drawing for most of human history. I'm pretty sure you could put pen to paper and make something.

Sure, I could make something. Something not worth looking at ever again.

Sure, its not going to be crash hot, but given something as simple as two stick figures fighting launched a whole artistic movement back in the 00s, it can be just what it needs to be.

That's just it, though: I want the image on the page to be just as "crash hot" (love that term!) as the image in my head. I don't want stick figures, I want somethng far more elaborate and 'finished'.

 

[Lanefan]

So you, Lanefan, mass-pirated millions of books and then destroyed a rainforest to power a server farm.

All that before tea-time - I have had a busy day.

Thing is, I've personally tried messing with AI art maybe twice, ever; and have never used AI for writing. I just don't have the tech to handle what it requires. But I like the idea of it, and admire what others have been able to make it do.

That said, I did in fact have a run-in with AI earlier today: a doctor had a look at me and used AI to almost instantly produce a diagnosis (all clear - yay!) that previously would likely have taken much longer.

 

[Older Beholder]

The act of actually making the work, be it painting, drawing or whatever is the creative part.
The hint is in the word itself, I would suggest that create being the root word of creativity is no accident.

It's not called thinktivity.

 

[BookTenTiger]

Ideas are the creative part, along with refining those ideas later. If you're rocking 20 original ideas a day you're a creative soul indeed!

The work of turning those ideas into reality, however, is mostly just work; which is what causes most ideas - good and bad - to never get far if anywhere beyond the thought process.

This is such a strange definition. Isn't the act of creating the work literally being creative?

When I write a story, I come up with an idea. And then I work through various drafts to refine the idea. I'm being actively creative by... creating my story. I'm being creative by trying out different ways of phrasing. By writing and rewriting. By listening to myself read it out loud and refining the rhythm. By editing. Those things are work, yes, but they also require a tremendous amount of creativity.