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    Do you have a "litmus test" setting for generic rule sets?

    I mean, if you don't want to look in the mirror, that's your choice. I mean, historically, folks have gotten moderated and threadbanned for that behavior, so... You choose your own risks.
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    The value of manned space flight?

    So, here's where we note: we are all dead long before the oceans boil anyway. We show that heating is a bit ludicrous to get people back to something slightly more practical. But, since we are here. Humans sweat to control our internal temperature. Humans stop being able to live...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    Ew, no. Misses the point. I mean, this is where this cartoon model breaks down. This analysis assumes every scrap of energy we produce goes into the ocean as heat. We aren't spending any energy on expanding our energy production capacity. Actually, our assumption is that we aren't spending...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    I was quoting memory before. Let me do some math. Working to order of magnitude, I get... I find other sources listing world energy consumption in 2023 as being 620 Exajoules (17 x10^4 Twh), so 6.20x10^20 J/year. (That's Primary, rather than Final, consumption, but whatever.) Ocean volume...
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    Do you have a "litmus test" setting for generic rule sets?

    Discussion opposite the original question still is talking about the same topic, just in the other direction. You can still learn about people's ideas on the topic from that. As opposed to, say, a complete side conversation about thread etiquette, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    If all of human energy use is instead pumped directly into the oceans, and none is lost to space, you get to boiling the oceans after about 10,000 years, IIRC.
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    The value of manned space flight?

    Sure. The point is that, on the scale of "poor" spending, maybe Artemis really isn't the poster child, or even low-hanging fruit. So, again, the trick is to note that manned missions and unmanned are not actually in competition with each other. NASA's internal process for choosing missions...
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    Do you have a "litmus test" setting for generic rule sets?

    Note: There is a difference between "two people talking past each other" and "two people sniping". That's why I gave the caveat about staying within the rules.
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    Do you have a "litmus test" setting for generic rule sets?

    1) With respect, a "hard" turn into a different discussion would be, like starting with damage on a miss, and ending with... cake vs pie. Going from, "I test generic games this way, How about you?" to "Generic games... not so generic?" is a slight turn, still original topic adjacent. 2)...
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    Do you have a "litmus test" setting for generic rule sets?

    Assuming they stay within board rules, you mean? Since I am not forced to watch them circle that drain, and I can go something more valuable to me, it is no skin off my nose if they do that. They can knock themselves out around that drain.
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    Do you have a "litmus test" setting for generic rule sets?

    If you want absolutely no denying the premise of the thread, that's what (+) threads are for. But, then you run a risk - if the thread is, "Tell me how you do (premise) (+)", and the number of people who do (premise) is small, or the premise is counterfactual, then your thread's kind of dead in...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    Yes. Mind you, that's total cost spread over more than a decade. Amazon intends to spend that much on AI infrastrucure in a single year. But, by all means, be down on Artemis for its spending. There's still an implicit personal opinion in there on how money "should" be spent that I don't...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    You're both right. The per launch cost for Artemis is about $4 billion. The total program cost, which covers all the development, all the vehicles, all the launches, all the training, from 2012 through 2025, is about $93 billion. The program continues - we land on the Moon with Artemis IV and...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    I agree. Real runaway greenhouse, with the oceans boiling away, isn't coming from our fossil fuel burning. The last work I saw on that found that it would take several multiples of all the fossil fuels in the Earth's crust to do it. So, we'll just have to wait a couple billion years for the...
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    The value of manned space flight?

    Society should realize that it isn't NASA funding that's going to squeeze out other science research. Really. This is like Dickensian orphans arguing over which of them is getting more than their fair share of limited gruel, while the guy running the orphanage is eating filet mignon and...
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