Dammit, Warlord, Warlock, Tiefling, and Dragonborn are growing on me.

Here's why. Based on what little we know about warlord and warlock as classes, and tiefling and dragonborn as races, they are really starting to feel "grim and gritty" to me (I know, this will probably spawn a 10-page thread debating what "grim and gritty" means ).

Warlord: "Cut them down, brothers! NOW!" (muscles bulging from his huge battle axe).

Tiefling: (eyes glowing red, clawed fingers gripping spear) "I shall spill their blood, my Warlord chieftan!"

Warlock: "Starspawn of Cthulhu, I call on you now, honor our PACT!" (lightning sizzles out from trembling gloved hands)

Dragonborn: (charges the enemy with the speed and fury of, well, a dragon) "Yessssssss!"

Okay, I'm not the world's best favor text writer myself. But I hope you get my point. There is something distinctly grim and gritty about these new races and classes.

Now I have to say, I like grim and gritty. I like Warhammer. I like Iron Kingdoms. I like "dark and savage" fantasy. Put another way, I'm starting to think that Warlock, Warlord, Tiefling, and Dragonborn just might help make D&D more this:



And less this:


So bring it on. If it takes Warlocks and Tieflings to reduce the "dungeonpunk ear-pierced wussie leather boys" that 3.x was so fond of, I'm all for it.

I'm starting to like the whole "points of light" stuff.

Shortman McLeod said:

Dammit, Warlord, Warlock, Tiefling, and Dragonborn are growing on me.

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I think they've already developed an ointment for that.
You should take more time to dry thoroughly after you shower.

Shortman McLeod said:

I like "dark and savage" fantasy. ... I'm starting to like the whole "points of light" stuff.

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I also like "dark and savage" fantasy, and I'm also starting to like the whole "points of light" stuff. I can't explain why, but I just feel that way.

Good post, Shortman. I find myself agreeing with you.

That should frighten you on some level.

Wisdom Penalty said:

Good post, Shortman. I find myself agreeing with you.

That should frighten you on some level.

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especially since your name is "wisdom penalty" (heh).

On the original topic though, I think that it fits the Points of Light style setting: the new "default" world of D&D will be a darker, more savage place. I can't wait.

I sympathize. I was dead set against dragonborn when I first heard about them, but they've been growing on me. I've been reworking my upcoming 4e homebrew to work them in. I was sold when one of the members on this forum compared them to dragon newts (RQ).

I had already decided to work warlocks and tieflings into my game. Since no homebrew of my creation has had gnomes in it since 1980, I haven't felt their lack.

But I have to say that I think there's room for punky, ear-pierced, wussy leatherboys in gritty fantasy as well. I can't help it, I like Hennet.

I was against dragonborn too, but I found it helps if I lie and tell myself they're just really lizardfolk.

I'm not sure about warlords, but tieflings and dragonborn and warlocks?

Totally f'ing metal.

I approve.

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I think I'm taking the longview with this one. I like all sorts of settings, though Points of Light doesn't have a whole lot of appeal for me. I might give it a whirl or two, but it's not really where my heart is. I'll give her a date, but she won't have my heart.

But I guess if you don't like the weather in D&D, you can wait a year, and it'll change, so here's to the next setting!

(can't wait to see something urban, steampunk, victorian, western, inca, africa, oriental, or otherwise non-emo-nu-metal-y. )