How is that babe in the barely there armor getting any AC bonus?

Edena_of_Neith said:

The 1E wizard was better off in a bikini.

The best you could hope for from Dexterity was AC 6. AC 5, if you could somehow obtain 19 dexterity (an elf.)

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Defensive Adjustment for 18, 19, and 20 Dexterity in 1E was -4. To get -5, you needed 21 Dexterity.

-Hyp.

ProfessorCirno said:

...So am I the only one who HATES the scantily clad pictures of women and much, much perfers someone in some actual armor?

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Quite possibly. At least, inasmuch as I suspect few gamers (at least, those in the large majority of gamers that are attracted to women) dislike, in the abstract, pictures of attractive women wearing not much.

Whether such artwork really belongs in gaming books is another question entirely. Obviously non-functional armor or otherwise impractical clothes on people involved in lethal combat is kind of silly; in a non-combat setting, that's not really a concern.

Rechan said:

I hear that the 1e DMG had a Female wandering monster table.

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I think you are thinking of the Random Harlot encounter table.

1-10 Slovenly Trull
11-25 Brazen Strumpet
26-35 Cheap Trollop
36-50 Typical Streetwalker
51-65 Saucy Tart
66-75 Wanton Wench
76-85 Expensive Doxy
86-90 Haughty Courtesan
91-92 Aged Madam
93-94 Wealthy Procuress
95-98 Sly Pimp
99-00 Rich Panderer

In 1st Edition it was important to know exactly where the money you spend on Ale and Whores was going. Scan of original table is available here.

ttiwwp. j/k.

ProfessorCirno said:

...So am I the only one who HATES the scantily clad pictures of women and much, much perfers someone in some actual armor?

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Careful, your sensitive ponytail is showing.

Cheesecake art is part of the fantasy genre. I game with more women than men, and none of them are overly offended by the art and style of fantasy and pulp. For instance, I ran a Hollow Earth Expedition game and everyone thought it was great fun when I described an attack as 'slashing across her stomach, convienently exposing her midriff', or when the bombshell spy got snatched and carried off by a giant ape, Fae Ray style.

I think it all has to do with the style that you're in. In a pulp game like HEX, or a fantasy world with the sensibilities of Conan, some exposed flesh for the sake of exposed flesh is to be expected. Now if its something grittier, like Obryn was talking about with Warhammer Fantasy or something like Song of Ice and Fire then it would be more out of place.

To be perfectly honest, I don't really care about getting 'more women' into gaming. I want to get more people into gaming, and get those people to be better at it.

Mathew_Freeman said:

For me, the answer is simple:

She's not getting any AC bonus. She is, however, making some manager somewhere happy as he believes he's hitting the right demographic to sell the books. I think it's extremely likely that the presence of a half-naked women actually increased the amount of books sold in any significant way, yet it continues.

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Did you mean unlikely, because if it is likely then it's obvious why it continues, so the "yet" seems out of place. However if you don't think sex sells products to men then you are very naive. Of course sex sells, if it didn't do you really think the advertising industry would use it to sell everything from soft drinks to cars?

As a female co-worker of mine from my bookstore days put it: "Why is there always a dearth of clothing for women in fantasy worlds?" To be honest, I don't *hate* it, as the previous poster said, but it just never did anything for me.

To change the topic slightly, there is I think a good example of a fully-armored female loking good and kicking butt: Hilde from Soul calibur IV. Her
1P costume is her in full plate armor, and I think she was drawn well. (Is "drawn" the right word? Well, you folks know what I mean.)

I dunno what's funnier, that the thread about bringing in more female gamers turned into one big "LOL WOMEN, AMIRITE?" joke (And that's not funny in the way you wanted it to be) or that the people who aren't into stupid cheesecake pictures are now being insulted because of it.

PowerWordDumb said:

Careful, your sensitive ponytail is showing.

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Don't poke fun at other people please